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Performance wheel/tire package in the winter?

Discussion in 'Model 3: Driving Dynamics' started by RyDad1, Jul 24, 2018.

  1. RyDad1

    RyDad1 Member

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    I'm considering a Model 3 Performance and was curious if leaving the 20" wheels/Pilot Sports on all year (I live outside D.C) would be a bad idea?

    If so, would below freezing temps affecting the tires be the main issue, or just general driving in snow/ice? Or both?

    I'm coming from a Jeep Wrangler so this is a big adjustment lol.....
     
  2. Zahlan

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    From Tirerack:

    Note: Tires exposed to temperatures of 20 degrees F (-7 degrees C) or lower must be permitted to gradually return to temperatures of at least 40 degrees F (5 degrees C) for at least 24 hours before they are flexed in any manner, such as by adjusting inflation pressures, mounting them on wheels or using them to support, roll or drive a vehicle.

    Flexing of the specialized rubber compounds used in Max Performance Summer tires during cold-weather use can result in irreversible compound cracking. Compound cracking is not a warrantable condition because it occurs as the result of improper use or storage, tires exhibiting compound cracking must be replaced.

    I live in NJ and for this reason I dropped down to the 18" aeros and will consider adding P4S tires to them along side a dedicated winter set.

    I don't think you will be able to run the car on 20's all year round.
     
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  3. GTIceman

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    @RyDad1 yes, this is a bad idea unless it is garaged in a climate controlled garage during the winter and not driven, even then it shouldn't be sitting on the tires.

    Like @Zahlan quoted from TireRack, the rubber compounds of a performance tire are much different from an all season or winter. There is no substitution for a proper winter set up north. When we lived up there both our daily drivers had summer and winter sets as the summer sets essentially turn into pucks on ice below 40F.

    I would suggest if you want the + pack on to P with the 20s to get a second set of wheels ant tires, likely will need 19s to clear the larger brakes. Otherwise do not get the + pack and just get all seasons, not my top recommendation, or two sets, a winter set on the 18s and then whatever you want for summer.
     
  4. eigenv1

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    Without any knowledge of exactly what compound went into the Tesla OEM 20" PS4S (we do know they are 500 wear rated, rather than the normal 300), it would be prudent to swap them out for all-season or winter tires as soon as the night-time temperatures fell below 40F. Someone should contact Michelin to ascertain what changes were made to the compound and if that affects the risk of damage at cool temperatures. If you live in a cold climate (northern states, high altitudes, Canada, N. Europe), and use the car for everyday driving, calculate the number of months you will be able to keep the performance tires on your vehicle before purchasing that package. For DC, it is about 7 months, For Minneapolis, it is about 5 months. In the US, check out this link and click on your state: Climate - United States - Monthly averages Canadians may have to do a little more clicking, but this site will get you there: Canadian Climate Normals - Climate - Environment and Climate Change Canada
     
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  5. TheLocNar

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    You don't really want to run performance tires in the winter, even on an AWD car. That's just me though. I'd save up for an aftermarket winter/tire setup to swap out.
     
  6. HugoBoss

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    Horrible idea OP. Watch hockey? See how the puck slides on the ice. That's performance tires in the winter. You wouldn't last the first snowfall.

    I was on a Subaru forum before where guys would ask the same thing, "it's a Subaru has a great awd system" next post is pics of their cars smashed into a curb
     
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    Anyone found any good combos out there yet?
     
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    Yeah it's the unfortunate reality of East Coast vs West Coast Tesla Owners :) No brainer to get performance tires in Cali. But you gotta look into all seasons or at least winter tires if you are in the Midwest or northeast if you want to do some winter driving. That material just isn't made for freezing temps. That's why a lot of people liked the Performance version with the Aeros and went aftermarket. Free winter tires!
     
  9. Funkmobile

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    The treadwear rating is actually 300 and not 500 as shown in recent reviews and pictures.
     
  10. SigNC

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    Ugh, having to worry about tires being outside in 20 degree f or not seems like a huge pain even in areas of the country that very rarely get snow.
     
  11. crmatson

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    Any updates on this problem?
    I confirmed with my delivery specialist that the current 19" winter package will NOT fit on the 20" performance rotors.

    He suggested a link to Tire Rack with staggered wheel sizes but I don't think that's correct. Waiting for clarification.

    They are hoping to have a 20" winter package by the end of September. I would rather have 18-19 for winter.

    I am confused by aftermarket options and not sure which ones will actually fit.
     
  12. gurtburns

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    TSportline wheels will fit on the Perf Upgraded P3D (even 18" WOOO!!). They have remanufactured to fit correctly. Im planning on getting the 18 forged turbine wheels, I haven't decided on which winter tires I want to run. @Tsportline can comment further on the wheels
     
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  13. Tsportline

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    Hope this helps
     
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  14. Toddsquad

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    Winter tires on these would be 235/45 as well?
     
  15. Tsportline

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    Yes
     
  16. brianman

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    @Tsportline
    Are the wheels you're offering for Model 3 Performance w/PUO "simple swap" for mere mortals (remove lugs, remove OEM wheel, add TSportline wheel, install lugs) or more involved?

    Also, are you considering packaged pricing for winter set (wheels + tires + balancing + shipping to your door); URL link to the options would be lovely if yes, please.

    I'd probably go with all seasons for my "winter" (rather than dedicated winter tires), but I'm interested in what you guys are offering.

    Thanks.
     
  17. Skione65

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    Listen,

    @crmatson,

    Listen....Tesla is going to have to “step up” and own this isssue if they don’t want their 19” Winter tire sales by P3D+ owners cannibalized. I need a 19” WInter Tire setup and was planning on the Tesla 19”s with Pirelli Winter SottoZeros. I had concerns with whether the 19’s would fit the PUO 3 mm lip.
    If these don’t fit I’ll have to go with TSportlines 19” turbines and Tesla is going to lose major sales if Elon doesn’t step up and remanufacture the 19” Sport rims like TSportline is doing for theirs for P3D+ owners.
    TSport realizes the $$ on the line here.

    Ski
     
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  18. cbutters

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    I see a full wheel and tire set here:
    18" Tesla Wheels - Model 3

    What I can't figure out is if this set includes the TPMS sensor... @Tsportline can you shed some light if this package includes tpms, or if it doesn't what is the best way to source a TPMS and add it to this package?

    EDIT: OK I'm an idiot... first line in the description:
    Code:
    Enjoy an out of the box experience with wheels, tire pressure sensors, tires and center caps ready to mount on your Tesla! The TST 18" wheel and tire package for your Tesla Model 3 comes in 4 colors and 3 tire choices.
     
  19. Tsportline

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    Yes, for 20" TST Square Set (20x8.5" Front & Rear).

    We offer our 18" Wheel and Tire Package and 19" Wheel and Tire Package with All Season Tires (10% Off and Free Shipping until September 3rd).
     
  20. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

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    It was in my initial question, but just to reiterate:
    Our 3 is a Performance with the Performance upgrade. Are both your 18 and 19 package compatible?
     

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