TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker and becoming a Supporting Member. For more info: Support TMC

Permit for NEMA 14-50 install?

Discussion in 'Model S: Battery & Charging' started by spaghetti, May 17, 2013.

  1. spaghetti

    spaghetti Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2013
    Messages:
    268
    Location:
    Silicon Valley
    While I am waiting for my MS to be built, I am trying to scope out the NEMA 14-50 install. One question that came to my mind is whether people are getting city permits prior to the install? Would appreciate some guidance. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. joshuaeven

    joshuaeven Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2012
    Messages:
    246
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    I had to get a permit for my install. I figure it's not something I wanted to go under-the-table with, as in the event of something HORRIBLE happening, I want to be covered.
     
  3. Discoducky

    Discoducky Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2011
    Messages:
    3,046
    Location:
    Seattle
    No permit required in WA state; not sure about CA.
     
  4. Andrew

    Andrew Model S #6151, Model 3 #1576

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2013
    Messages:
    425
    Location:
    Santa Monica, CA
    In Santa Monica, CA: We put in a second panel + meter so we definitely had to get a permit. The good news was that $224 of the $225 fee was covered by a gov't program to encourage EV adoption. I think it was a state program, but it may be LA county or maybe even Santa Monica...not sure (the guy behind the counter wasn't clear where the money was coming from, and I didn't want to ask too many questions!).
     
  5. spatterso911

    spatterso911 MSP#7577 **--** MX#1891

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,213
    Location:
    Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Permit required in CA.
     
  6. spaghetti

    spaghetti Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2013
    Messages:
    268
    Location:
    Silicon Valley
    Thanks everyone for the quick replies.
     
  7. deonb

    deonb Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2013
    Messages:
    3,762
    Location:
    Redmond, WA
    Only no permit if you do it yourself. If an electrician however does the work, they need a permit. I could do it myself, but figured $300 is worth paying to transfer any liability over to the electricians' insurance instead initially, and later be able to show the inspection report to mine if required.

    I actually ended up knowing more than the electrician (Yes, you REALLY need a 50A breaker even though the charger says it draws 40A... for crying out loud, that's basic stuff ?? ), so I ended up supervising him, but I still sleep better at night knowing it was done "by the book".
     
  8. Discoducky

    Discoducky Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2011
    Messages:
    3,046
    Location:
    Seattle
    Parts were less than $35 and my quote was ~$800 with a ~$50 permit fee. Took me about 30 minutes to pop in the breaker, route the Romex wire and mount the box. Thanks to FlasherZ!
     
  9. deonb

    deonb Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2013
    Messages:
    3,762
    Location:
    Redmond, WA
    Weird difference. Mine was $125 for a permit + inspection, and $175 for the labor. (I supplied the parts).
     
  10. yobigd20

    yobigd20 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2012
    Messages:
    5,843
    Location:
    Skaneateles, NY
    Lucky you. I did the install myself. My parts costs $300. But then again, I had about 110ft run of 6/3 cable from box to garage. Buying 125ft of that is not cheap :( still cheaper than paying an electrician to do it and getting a permit :)
     
  11. dhrivnak

    dhrivnak Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2011
    Messages:
    3,361
    Location:
    NE Tennessee
    No permit needed in Tennessee. I installed myself and it was $125 in parts the vast majority was the 35' of 4 wire #6. I did have to get a permit for the solar panels but at $20 I am not complaining.
     
  12. PhilBa

    PhilBa Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2013
    Messages:
    1,376
    Location:
    Seattle
    #12 PhilBa, May 17, 2013
    Last edited: May 17, 2013
    Actually, for Seattle and Shoreline (where I live), you technically need a permit but a licensed electrician will just do it for you. Try to stay away from Seattle City Light, they have a completely bureaucratic and inefficient approach. And, if you need to increase your service (say, by 100 Amps) it will take months and require around 6 visits before the work actually happens. Believe it or not, they are actually worse than Comcast for inefficiency.

    Reminds of a variant on an old joke - Q: What is yellow, has 4 wheels and sleeps 6? A: A Seattle City Light truck.

    Here's a link to the Seattle permit information http://www.seattle.gov/DPD/Publications/CAM/cam132.pdf
     
  13. XrstalLens

    XrstalLens Model S P1327 VIN P01867

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2011
    Messages:
    115
    Location:
    Kirkland, WA
    #13 XrstalLens, May 18, 2013
    Last edited: May 18, 2013
    Actually, WA state does require a permit if you're doing anything but swapping out an outlet or switch for the same kind:

    From http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=296-46B-901

    The Labor & Industries site also has a brochure that spells it out pretty clearly: http://www.lni.wa.gov/IPUB/500-078-000.pdf. Any circuit alterations/additions requires a permit. It doesn't matter what city you're in. No city can make their standards less stringent than what L&I requires.
     
  14. mknox

    mknox Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    9,911
    Location:
    Toronto, ON
    In Ontario, Canada a permit from the Electrical Safety Authority is required whether an electrician does it or you do it yourself. A recent amendment to the Ontario code requires a compulsory inspection for any wiring related to EV charging. On the positive side, there is a Provincial rebate of up to 50% of the costs to a maximum of $1,000 for the installation of any approved EVSE.
     
  15. FlasherZ

    FlasherZ Sig Model S + Sig Model X + Model 3 Resv

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2012
    Messages:
    7,031
    The basic rule: check with the AHJ (authority having jurisdiction). In *most* places with permitting laws, permits are required when doing anything other than strict one-for-one replacement. Adding or extending a circuit generally requires a permit where permits are required.

    If a permit is required, it is required whether you do the work yourself or if you call a licensed electrician.

    You may need a permit but not require an inspection, as in my county. Or, as in the county to the east of mine, you may not need a permit.

    In the US, call city hall (if incorporated) or the county zoning office (if not) to check.
     

Share This Page

  • About Us

    Formed in 2006, Tesla Motors Club (TMC) was the first independent online Tesla community. Today it remains the largest and most dynamic community of Tesla enthusiasts. Learn more.
  • Do you value your experience at TMC? Consider becoming a Supporting Member of Tesla Motors Club. As a thank you for your contribution, you'll get nearly no ads in the Community and Groups sections. Additional perks are available depending on the level of contribution. Please visit the Account Upgrades page for more details.


    SUPPORT TMC