PG&E NBC / kWh going up every month?

[getakey]

I haven't gone through an annual True-Up, so I'm a bit confused about the first image you posted that was labelled "True-Up Adjustment". The total of the calculated NBCs (PPP+ND+DWR+OCF) from that table is $191.87 which matches with the $191.87 for NBCs from the "True-Up History" image. You exported to the grid 8,910 kWh and imported 9,440 kWh for a net import of 530 kWh. I do not understand why the DIST is listed as -682 kWh and the NBC is 520 kWh unless they were the numbers from your period that ended on 4/21 and just carried over to the adjustment table by accident.

I think they $121.54 credit in the DIST line are the monthly minimum charges that you paid over the year resulting in a net bill of $70.33 ($191.87 - $121.54).

While you imported more than you exported, the imports must have been at a lower rate than your exports, so you don't have any extra owed.

I'm confused as well. If you divide the NBC $ by kWh used, it comes to about $.02/kWh. So I don't think they include the monthly fees I did pay. Could be wrong, but my monthly fees never exceeded $10 as far as I can tell.

 

[h2ofun]

I'm confused as well. If you divide the NBC $ by kWh used, it comes to about $.02/kWh. So I don't think they include the monthly fees I did pay. Could be wrong, but my monthly fees never exceeded $10 as far as I can tell.

either have mine

 

[Redhill_qik]

I'm confused as well. If you divide the NBC $ by kWh used, it comes to about $.02/kWh. So I don't think they include the monthly fees I did pay. Could be wrong, but my monthly fees never exceeded $10 as far as I can tell.

Yes, the year of NBC charges of $191.87 divided by your imports of 8,910 comes to $0.02153 which is a blend of the NBC per kWh over the entire year and no they don't include the MDC, but MDCs offset NBCs. The Minimum Daily Charges for 365 days @ $0.32854 = $119.92, but it looks like you paid $121.54 which is another 5 days. As I said earlier, PG&E bill period dates move around, so my best guess is that your first bill was only from 4/16/2020 to 4/21/2020 which accounts for the difference.

With NBC amounts of $191.97 offset by your already paid MDCs of $121.54 plus some random ECT(EC Tax?) charge of $0.15 leaves you with a True-Up amount of $70.33. Was that the amount on your latest bill, plus an MDC for around $9.85?

 

[getakey]

Yes, the year of NBC charges of $191.87 divided by your imports of 8,910 comes to $0.02153 which is a blend of the NBC per kWh over the entire year and no they don't include the MDC, but MDCs offset NBCs. The Minimum Daily Charges for 365 days @ $0.32854 = $119.92, but it looks like you paid $121.54 which is another 5 days. As I said earlier, PG&E bill period dates move around, so my best guess is that your first bill was only from 4/16/2020 to 4/21/2020 which accounts for the difference.

With NBC amounts of $191.97 offset by your already paid MDCs of $121.54 plus some random ECT(EC Tax?) charge of $0.15 leaves you with a True-Up amount of $70.33. Was that the amount on your latest bill, plus an MDC for around $9.85?

Yes, looks like your math is spot on. Thanks
The part I did not realize is that the NBCs can be offset by the MDCs which furthers my question of why we don't just pay those monthly as well.

 

[sorka]

As of January, NBCs climbed 50% from the previous period to 3.224 cents / kWh!!!!

 

[tfan2018]

As of January, NBCs climbed 50% from the previous period to 3.224 cents / kWh!!!!

Mine was 3.14 cents / kWh last month, up from 2.7 cents / kWh

With MDC at $11.43 x 12 = $137.16 I can only pull 4368 kWh from the grid per year to not pay more.

 

[sorka]

Mine was 3.14 cents / kWh last month, up from 2.7 cents / kWh

With MDC at $11.43 x 12 = $137.16 I can only pull 4368 kWh from the grid per year.

I thought PG&E NBCs were the same for everyone. Which of your components was different from mine?

NBCs		November 2021		March 2021		August 2021		October 2021		January 2022		March 2022		May 2022		June 2022		Jan 2023
PPP		0.01296		0.01575		0.01575		0.01575		0.02024		0.01954		0.01954		0.02197		0.02529
ND		0.00101		0.00093		0.00093		0.00093		-0.00013		-0.00013		-0.00013		-0.00013		0.00135
OCF		0.00096		0.00004		0.00004		0.00004		0.00004		0.00023		0.00023		0.00023		0.0003
DWR		0.0058		0.0058		0.0058		0.0058		0.00652		0.00459		0.00459		0.00459		0.0053
Total		0.02073		0.02252		0.02252		0.02252		0.02667		0.02423		0.02423		0.02666		0.03224

 

[Redhill_qik]

I thought PG&E NBCs were the same for everyone. Which of your components was different from mine?

NBCs		November 2021		March 2021		August 2021		October 2021		January 2022		March 2022		May 2022		June 2022		Jan 2023
PPP		0.01296		0.01575		0.01575		0.01575		0.02024		0.01954		0.01954		0.02197		0.02529
ND		0.00101		0.00093		0.00093		0.00093		-0.00013		-0.00013		-0.00013		-0.00013		0.00135
OCF		0.00096		0.00004		0.00004		0.00004		0.00004		0.00023		0.00023		0.00023		0.0003
DWR		0.0058		0.0058		0.0058		0.0058		0.00652		0.00459		0.00459		0.00459		0.0053
Total		0.02073		0.02252		0.02252		0.02252		0.02667		0.02423		0.02423		0.02666		0.03224

Those are the right numbers and the amounts are the same for everyone across PG&E, but how is this a 50% increase?

 

[sorka]

Those are the right numbers and the amounts are the same for everyone across PG&E, but how is this a 50% increase?

Math error. I was looking at the wrong column. But post #46 seems to imply that it's not the same for everyone or post #46 has the wrong price.

It's a 55% increase since February of 2021. What's this going to be in another 2 years? 5 cents? 10 cents in 5 more years? Is this going to the way PG&E eliminates the value of NEM 2.0 grandfathering?

 

[Redhill_qik]

Math error. I was looking at the wrong column. But post #46 seems to imply that it's not the same for everyone or post #46 has the wrong price.

Re-examing your data, I found that Jan 2023 had the wrong for DWR rate, so in January 2023 it NBC total was $0.3034. In post #46 @tfan2018 was rounding at the least and maybe made a mistake with 3.14 cents.

NBCs		November 2020		March 2021		August 2021		October 2021		January 2022		March 2022		May 2022		June 2022		Jan 2023		Mar 2023
PPP		0.01296		0.01575		0.01575		0.01575		0.02024		0.01954		0.01954		0.02197		0.02529		0.02529
ND		0.00101		0.00093		0.00093		0.00093		-0.00013		-0.00013		-0.00013		-0.00013		0.00135		0.00135
OCF		0.00096		0.00004		0.00004		0.00004		0.00004		0.00023		0.00023		0.00023		0.00030		0.00030
DWR		0.0058		0.0058		0.0058		0.0058		0.00652		0.00459		0.00459		0.00459		0.00340		0.00530
Total		0.02073		0.02252		0.02252		0.02252		0.02667		0.02423		0.02423		0.02666		0.03034		0.03224

It's a 55% increase since February of 2021. What's this going to be in another 2 years? 5 cents? 10 cents in 5 more years?

The only component that has had any significant fluctuating is the PPP, Public Purpose Program. The other three have had minor changes and have also gone down in some rate changes. What this is used for appears to vary between the IOUs and here is what it covers for PG&E:

• Energy Efficiency(EE
  • EE ,Schools EE Stimulus Program and EE Balancing Account
• Energy Savings Assistance Program (ESA)
  • ESA programs and ESA Balancing Account
• California Alternate Rates for Energy Administration (CARE):
  • CARE Discount, CARE A&G, and CARE Balancing Account
• Research, Development, & Demonstration (RD&D
  • RD&D statewide authorized funding and RD&D balancing account
• Board of Equalization Administration Costs (BOE):
  • BOE admin cost

I think the biggest lever is paying for the CARE discounts, but I'm not sure where to find information on how this rate is set. Will this go up? Since it is paying for CARE discounts that seems highly likely.

Is this going to the way PG&E eliminates the value of NEM 2.0 grandfathering?

These rates aren't just for NEM 2.0, but they are components in every tariff and in NEM 3.0. IMHO, increasing the rates doesn't really change much in the grand scheme of things.

• Increasing the NBCs increases bundle rates that you are avoiding, so you pay off the system sooner
• Increasing the NBCs increases the MDC as they are part of the MDC rate and mitigates it, still in Feb/2021 NBC:MDC was 15.4 and it has dropped to 11.7 for Mar/2023

 

[tfan2018]

Re-examing your data, I found that Jan 2023 had the wrong for DWR rate, so in January 2023 it NBC total was $0.3034. In post #46 @tfan2018 was rounding at the least and maybe made a mistake with 3.14 cents.

NBCs		November 2020		March 2021		August 2021		October 2021		January 2022		March 2022		May 2022		June 2022		Jan 2023		Mar 2023
PPP		0.01296		0.01575		0.01575		0.01575		0.02024		0.01954		0.01954		0.02197		0.02529		0.02529
ND		0.00101		0.00093		0.00093		0.00093		-0.00013		-0.00013		-0.00013		-0.00013		0.00135		0.00135
OCF		0.00096		0.00004		0.00004		0.00004		0.00004		0.00023		0.00023		0.00023		0.00030		0.00030
DWR		0.0058		0.0058		0.0058		0.0058		0.00652		0.00459		0.00459		0.00459		0.00340		0.00530
Total		0.02073		0.02252		0.02252		0.02252		0.02667		0.02423		0.02423		0.02666		0.03034		0.03224

The only component that has had any significant fluctuating is the PPP, Public Purpose Program. The other three have had minor changes and have also gone down in some rate changes. What this is used for appears to vary between the IOUs and here is what it covers for PG&E:

• Energy Efficiency(EE
  • EE ,Schools EE Stimulus Program and EE Balancing Account
• Energy Savings Assistance Program (ESA)
  • ESA programs and ESA Balancing Account
• California Alternate Rates for Energy Administration (CARE):
  • CARE Discount, CARE A&G, and CARE Balancing Account
• Research, Development, & Demonstration (RD&D
  • RD&D statewide authorized funding and RD&D balancing account
• Board of Equalization Administration Costs (BOE):
  • BOE admin cost

I think the biggest lever is paying for the CARE discounts, but I'm not sure where to find information on how this rate is set. Will this go up? Since it is paying for CARE discounts that seems highly likely.

These rates aren't just for NEM 2.0, but they are components in every tariff and in NEM 3.0. IMHO, increasing the rates doesn't really change much in the grand scheme of things.

• Increasing the NBCs increases bundle rates that you are avoiding, so you pay off the system sooner
• Increasing the NBCs increases the MDC as they are part of the MDC rate and mitigates it, still in Feb/2021 NBC:MDC was 15.4 and it has dropped to 11.7 for Mar/2023

I was just dividing the NBC by the $ charged on my Feb 14 - March 15 b&w bill.. good to know the exact figures for reference. I see in your table Feb is omitted, so my $ might simply be a blend of Jan and March rates since my calculation is 3.1x cents.

 

[Redhill_qik]

I was just dividing the NBC by the $ charged on my Feb 14 - March 15 b&w bill.. good to know the exact figures for reference. I see in your table Feb is omitted, so my $ might simply be a blend of Jan and March rates since my calculation is 3.1x cents.

Electric tariff rates don't change every month and the most recent changes were on 1/1/2023 and again on 3/1/2023. Calculating backwards from the PG&E bills will result in rounding errors in addition to billing periods that are split across different tariff rates.

 

[tfan2018]

We're saying the same thing. 2/16-2/28 used rate as of 1/1/2023. 3/1-3/15 used rate as of 3/1/23. That's why my calculated NBC neither matches 1/1 or 3/1 and somewhere in between.