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PG&E proposes 18% to 45% rate hikes (electric and gas) beginning 2023 ending 2026 to address wildfire risk

holeydonut

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Looks like PG&E believes it needs a few billion dollars to make their grid safe (edit, and improve infrastructure and better fund its pension), And since they can't make their operations more lean and intelligent, that just means it's time for rate payers to pony up.


Contrary to what some news outlets have indicated, this is a straight up 18% increase to gas and electric in 2023 compared to 2021. After 2023, rates will go up further in addition to this 18%. That is why for some people, their gas bill will go up around 45% by 2026 compared to today's rates if the CPUC allows this.

They conveniently provided example tables of what an E-1 Electric and G-1 Gas (non-CARE) customer will see on an average bill. For example, Zone X (the most populated residential zone) will see a monthly 488 kWh electricity bill go up 18.1% from the most recent rates enacted this spring to the implementation of this proposal in 2023. Additional increases will hit in subsequent years so by 2026 (for just this proposed action), rates will go up 23%. On the gas side, the first year increase is 18% as well on a 37 therms average monthly bill. But if you look out to 2026, the expected bill will go up 45% compared to the current 2021 bill.

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One thing rate payers should consider is that PG&E's current proposal lifts rates across the board for non-CARE and CARE/FERA. The CPUC has historically denied such blanket rate increases because they feel lower income folks are not in a position to manage these rate increases. So, typically by the time all things are resolved, the non-CARE folks will pay more while the CARE population will see less impact.

This Rate Case proposal says nothing about solar, NEM, TOU, etc.
 
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h2ofun

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Looks like PG&E believes it needs a few billion dollars to make their grid safe (edit, and improve infrastructure and better fund its pension), And since they can't make their operations more lean and intelligent, that just means it's time for rate payers to pony up.


Contrary to what some news outlets have indicated, this is a straight up 18% increase to gas and electric in 2023 compared to 2021. After 2023, rates will go up further in addition to this 18%. That is why for some people, their gas bill will go up around 45% by 2026 compared to today's rates if the CPUC allows this.

They conveniently provided example tables of what an E-1 Electric and G-1 Gas (non-CARE) customer will see on an average bill. For example, Zone X (the most populated residential zone) will see a monthly 488 kWh electricity bill go up 18.1% from the most recent rates enacted this spring to the implementation of this proposal in 2023. Additional increases will hit in subsequent years so by 2025 (for just this proposed action), rates will go up 23%. On the gas side, the first year increase is 18% as well. But if you look out to 2026, the expected bill will go up 45% compared to the current 2021 bill.

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One thing rate payers should consider is that PG&E's current proposal lifts rates across the board for non-CARE and CARE/FERA. The CPUC has historically denied such blanket rate increases because they feel lower income folks are not in a position to manage these rate increases. So, typically by the time all things are resolved, the non-CARE folks will pay more while the CARE population will see less impact.

This Rate Case proposal says nothing about solar, NEM, TOU, etc.
So the higher the rates go, the more batteries and solar look good? And the higher gas goes, the better my 99% electric home looks. I just need PGE to approve my 30kw of panels and I am all set. :)
 

holeydonut

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So the higher the rates go, the more batteries and solar look good? And the higher gas goes, the better my 99% electric home looks. I just need PGE to approve my 30kw of panels and I am all set. :)


PG&E keeps arguing that you aren't paying enough for solar, so I think they'll find a way to squeeze blood from you eventually. But yes, getting solar and batteries (at least for now) is the way to go.

If you look at the joint IOU NEM 3 proposal, they want to put a meter between your solar and your house and see how much energy you're using. Then bill you for that energy directly while charging you a fee for exporting any solar to their grid.
 

h2ofun

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PG&E keeps arguing that you aren't paying enough for solar, so I think they'll find a way to squeeze blood from you eventually. But yes, getting solar and batteries (at least for now) is the way to go.

If you look at the joint IOU NEM 3 proposal, they want to put a meter between your solar and your house and see how much energy you're using. Then bill you for that energy directly while charging you a fee for exporting any solar to their grid.
yep nuts
 

h2ofun

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What a joke! Just nothing but class warfare!!! Like the solar did not cost us anything, and it does not help PGE no needing extra power. Stupid
 

ItsNotAboutTheMoney

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PG&E keeps arguing that you aren't paying enough for solar, so I think they'll find a way to squeeze blood from you eventually. But yes, getting solar and batteries (at least for now) is the way to go.

If you look at the joint IOU NEM 3 proposal, they want to put a meter between your solar and your house and see how much energy you're using. Then bill you for that energy directly while charging you a fee for exporting any solar to their grid.
Production meters are quite common. They're used in places that have incentives based on production.

An advantage of doing this is that there's full accounting instead of having to estimate small-scale generation for figure out demand.

Information can be used for good and bad.
 

holeydonut

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Does the proposed rate increase cover the cost of burying power lines just announced?



While the proposal from PG&E a few weeks ago does not expressly call out the 10,000 miles of underground lines, it is implied that the 10,000 of lines announced today will require some portion of the rate increase requested on July 1.

I still think it's sus how the news/media has not picked up on the massive natural gas rate increase... I hope the CPUC doesn't get fixated on the power-rates and kind of shrugs off the monster natural gas rate increase.

Some people like me can't fit more solar on our roofs and I can't get my furnace and hot water heater over to electric in a reasonable way.
 

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