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PG&E Rate Schedules: "Home Charging" (EV2-A) Goes Live vs. Others
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With respect to this specific issue of EV2-A rate migration and grandfathering, I found the phone reps, even in the Solar Department, to be completely useless and even misleading. However, it's been 9 months since I called and they may have it more thoroughly figured out by now. Maybe.
JPP
Active Member
Yup, changeover is on your billing cycle. So check the PG&E site daily just before and after and it should reflect the change. And remember that you need to tweak the partial peak window on EV2-A as it occurs both before and after the peak time, and as I recall the way you need to drag the sliders in the Tesla app to adjust time periods is counter-intuitive.
Enjoy--you're gonna hate EV2-A...
Well I was just switched from EV-A to EV2-A. For the July (June 22nd - July 20th) billing cycle, my bill changed fairly dramatically:
Year: 2019 2020
kWh: 174 -56
Cost: -35.91 30.01
So we contributed an extra 232 kWh this year to the grid, thanks in part to less driving due to COVID. Yet still experienced a $65 increase in our bill.
Looking at the rate comparison tool, I'd be better off switching to straight TOU or even E-1.
Year: 2019 2020
kWh: 174 -56
Cost: -35.91 30.01
So we contributed an extra 232 kWh this year to the grid, thanks in part to less driving due to COVID. Yet still experienced a $65 increase in our bill.
Looking at the rate comparison tool, I'd be better off switching to straight TOU or even E-1.
JPP
Active Member
Well I was just switched from EV-A to EV2-A. For the July (June 22nd - July 20th) billing cycle, my bill changed fairly dramatically:
Year: 2019 2020
kWh: 174 -56
Cost: -35.91 30.01
So we contributed an extra 232 kWh this year to the grid, thanks in part to less driving due to COVID. Yet still experienced a $65 increase in our bill.
Looking at the rate comparison tool, I'd be better off switching to straight TOU or even E-1.
Depends on whether you have Powerwalls and can time shift. If you don't have Powerwalls, yes, the old tiered plans might be better. With Powerwalls, best is to optimize your Time Based Control and keep on EVs-A.
No Powerwalls or other home storage. I've been timing the car charging to be after midnight, rather than 11 PM, for the past year in anticipation of the change. Most of our appliances (cooktop, clothes dryer, hot water, etc) are natgas. Almost all lighting is LED, the rest is CFL. So besides the cars, the major electrical users are the ovens and HVAC. I could tune the HVAC a bit better. But bottom line is that I need both more solar and some storage.
The better reason do charge after midnight was that the historical usage would allow the Rate Comparison tool to show the correct forecast cost on EV2 as the time to transition approached.
Well I was just switched from EV-A to EV2-A. For the July (June 22nd - July 20th) billing cycle, my bill changed fairly dramatically:
Year: 2019 2020
kWh: 174 -56
Cost: -35.91 30.01
So we contributed an extra 232 kWh this year to the grid, thanks in part to less driving due to COVID. Yet still experienced a $65 increase in our bill.
Looking at the rate comparison tool, I'd be better off switching to straight TOU or even E-1.
New to forum and catching up as fast as I can. Can one be on E-1 with solar? I have 2 cars...Tesla X and S. Just signed up to solar. I had switched from E-1 to EV2-A 5 months ago before getting solar. I use most of my electricity from 4-10p HVAC in summer and 6-9p spa in winter. I'll produce more than I consume but not enough to cover EV2-A differences as many have pointed out. Is anyone doing solar on E-1? The form I have to start solar w/ PG&E to get PTO seems to say that I have to be on TOU?
Welcome! I don't think there is any problem staying with E-1. But I think they only let you switch plans once a year. (Am sure I'll be quickly corrected if wrong...
)Shift as much load as you can (car charging, laundry, dishwasher, etc) to happen off-peak between midnight and 3 pm. Prime time rates, between 4-9 PM are just horrible ($0.48/kWh summer, $0.35/kWh winter). Mid-peak rates are in the $0.30-something range. Make sure as much of your lighting as possible is LED. Today I reprogrammed my HVAC system to "precondition" the house by 3 pm. Then let the temperature drift to some extent in the evening.
Thank you! We did shift usage similar to what you recommended. One can change twice a year.Welcome! I don't think there is any problem staying with E-1. But I think they only let you switch plans once a year. (Am sure I'll be quickly corrected if wrong...
Shift as much load as you can (car charging, laundry, dishwasher, etc) to happen off-peak between midnight and 3 pm. Prime time rates, between 4-9 PM are just horrible ($0.48/kWh summer, $0.35/kWh winter). Mid-peak rates are in the $0.30-something range. Make sure as much of your lighting as possible is LED. Today I reprogrammed my HVAC system to "precondition" the house by 3 pm. Then let the temperature drift to some extent in the evening.
Issue w staying on ev-2a is that I’d have to generate 2-3x between sunrise to 3p what I consume from 3-10p. That’s unlikely. I think e-1 or e-tou-d both work better as I generate more than i consume.
If you generate more than you consume, then there is little reason to go on TOU unless you can get reimbursement for generation at retail rate from a CCA and it will overcome the PG&E portion. Did the San Jose CCA start up yet? What are their solar terms? Do they give you full Generation rate reimbursement?
So I should stay on E-1 then. Thank you! The form seemed to indicate that I have to be on TOU, not sure. I'll confirm. I think reimbursement is at retail so not worth tracking. Retail is about 1/5 the price we get charged so insignificant .
aesculus
Still Trying to Figure This All Out
I doubt you will find the cost differential to be worth it unless you qualify for SGIP.
Many of us justify the value of not being impacted by the PSPS. Even time shifting power use and selling what I produce back at peak rates is just a rounding error when you consider the total cost of both the solar and PWs.
Maybe someday if PG&E implements paying us for total solar production that we can export ALL during peak maybe, but I am sure they will wiggle out of paying us retail rates then, so I am not holding my breath.
I called PG&E. E-1 is not available to solar customers. Only EV2A, ETOUC and ETOUD. The latter having the shortest peak 5-8p.
Peak: 5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Monday through Friday : Summer - $0.36476, Winter - $0.29089
Off-Peak: All other times including Holidays: Summer - $0.26980, Winter - $0.27351
Summer has the greatest variance of 35%, winter is a wash. So I need to generate 35% more power from sunrise-5pm weekday and weekends which seems doable given I don't use much power before 6pm.
SUP THO
Member
I'm still on ETOUA and just purchased a MX a few months ago. I've been 100% supercharging but curious if anyone knows what happens if I go over my baseline allowance?
I absolutely love my grandfathered ETOUA plan so don't want to be pushed into any other option if I decide to start charging more from home moving forward. Any insight is greatly appreciated.
I absolutely love my grandfathered ETOUA plan so don't want to be pushed into any other option if I decide to start charging more from home moving forward. Any insight is greatly appreciated.
I just installed 2 Powerwalls to support the 6.2 kW of panels I installed 5 years ago. I'm currently grandfathered with E-6 rates. I assume at some point PGE will kick me off that rate. Correct?
