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PG&E TOU/EV Rate Times adjusted this year?

Discussion in 'California' started by Scrith, Mar 9, 2015.

  1. Scrith

    Scrith Member

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    Does anyone know if PG&E is adjusting the effective dates for Daylight Savings Time this year (as they have done in the past)? With this approach they usually don't adjust the hours for TOU/EV rate plans to reflect the actual time until about one month after Daylight Savings Time takes effect (for example, in 2014 DST started in early March but the PGE TOU/EV hours shifted forward by an hour until early April). Please point to a web page if they have one that shows the dates for 2015, if possible.

    I'm asking because the only information PG&E has posted on the shift has dates for 2014, not 2015, so I'm wondering if they finally joined the modern era of Daylight Savings Time dates (which were shifted to start earlier in early March about 8 years ago).
     
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    If you have PG&E as your electric utility and you are on a Time Of Use rate schedule, the time periods for the TOU rates will be one hour later than the current Daylight Saving Time from now until Sunday April 5, 2015. The reason is that PG&E is following the old DST schedule that was changed in 2007 to the current schedule. PG&E's rate calculation clocks will spring forward on the first Sunday in April. So, for the next 4 weeks, Off-Peak rates will start at the following times:
    E-6: 9:00pm M-F
    EV: 12:00am M-F, 8:00pm Sa-Su
    E-9: 1:00am M-F, 10:00pm Sa-Su
     
  4. strider

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    Thanks for this! Will adjust our charge timers tonight.
     
  5. gordo

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    Because of this DST "quirk", I've always set my charge timer to 12:10am from the very beginning to avoid any surprises twice a year.
     
  7. TEG

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    I haven't been watching closely, but at one point I got a note from them that DST would not shift due to the old style smart meter at my house. Apparently it has an old date/clock that doesn't shift with the current DST schedule. I don't think the DST stuff happens at the PG&E HQ based on policy, but rather is at the mercy of the "smarts" inside your meter.
     
  8. miimura

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    At one time, there could be an argument to be made that the dumb TOU meters were too much hassle to reprogram. However, now that a very large percentage of meters are now SmartMeters, there is truly no excuse. Today it is a simple matter of programming in the central billing system and the CPUC has made a conscious decision that they don't care and PG&E doesn't have to do it. It is fully documented in the rate tariffs for all residential TOU rate schedules.

    Example:
    PGE EV Time Periods.jpg

    One more note shown here: they finally specified holidays in Schedule EV. They previously mentioned holidays in the Peak and Part-Peak definitions, but never specified what the holidays were. The image above is from the tariff effective 1/1/2015.
     
  9. Musterion

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  10. CHG-ON

    CHG-ON Still in love after all these miles

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    Thanks for this! I had no idea. I feel like every time I look at their rate schedule, the times and rates have changed. It's maddening.
     

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