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Phantom braking in my new Model Y
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Do you find yourself randomly coming to an abrupt halt when you walk down the road as you suddenly perceive phantom objects appearing in front of you?
No? Then we can probably assume that judging distance accurately with optical sensors is ultimately possible.
smogne41
Active Member
Are computers and machine learning techniques at all similar or equivalent to human cognition? No? Then we have no reason to believe your statement is true.
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I disagree, they can do it with just vision if they do it correctly.
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If you think that human cognition is required to avoid overrating to shadows then literally every other animal with eyes would like a word with you.
There’s far more reason to think it’s a solvable problem than there is to think that it isn’t.
smogne41
Active Member
Fine, replace with animal cognition then. They are still not the same thing, not by a long shot. Sure, it might be possible some day, but it has not been demonstrated. And existence with animal nervous systems does not logically imply that it is going to be possible with current or near future computer technology.
laservet
Member
Not my experience at all. Mine has radar and had significant phantom braking using radar, made a bunch of posts about all the issues. Now I’m on vision only and pb is almost completely gone.
I wouldn't say that it has never been done:
Their camera setup is much better than Tesla's, though.
charlesoris
2022 MYLR Red/White, 19", OD:12/13/21
I agree about the camera setup. The key statement, IMHO, is at 6:21 into the presentation.
JetFalcon
Member
my arcade friend will flip out if the Tesla phantom brakes. He will say I did it, I tell him the car did it. And he says I am blaming the car.
I explain what phantom braking is. He says I’m brake checking and trying get cars to rear end us even though most cases I disengage autopilot if phantom brakes did occur.
I explain what phantom braking is. He says I’m brake checking and trying get cars to rear end us even though most cases I disengage autopilot if phantom brakes did occur.
charlesoris
2022 MYLR Red/White, 19", OD:12/13/21
It seems that Tesla will be re-introducing Radar, albeit a much higher resolution one than before, coupled with hi-res 2 front cameras.
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I want them to retrofit, for free, the equipment it actually needs to have to eliminate the cursed PB I've experienced in my cars. I am surprised there isn't a class-action lawsuit yet... Maybe there is and I've missed it.It seems that Tesla will be re-introducing Radar, albeit a much higher resolution one than before, coupled with hi-res 2 front cameras.
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smogne41
Active Member
Just took my MY in for the second round of PB hoping I'd hear something positive. Not the case, same old BS from last year...the examples I.recorded and reported were nothing more than the car "seeing" gaps in the road markings and reacting by slowing down. As I told the rep, that is total BS since these events were recorded in clear weather, daytime, on I-10 in the AZ desert with no breaks in the road markings on either side of the car. Why can't he at least say "the system has bugs, driver beware" instead of insulting my intelligence with this line of crap? These service reps at the Temecula SC are worthless anyway.
charlesoris
2022 MYLR Red/White, 19", OD:12/13/21
I feel for you. I am not sure what the tech can do at any SC since PB issues should be dealt with at the corporate level.
HW3 maybe safer than most of human driver, but still not good enough.
fitting HDradar makes it more capable to avoid any accident even a small object.
radar is a must have.
if tesla doesn't want to give out HDradar whom paid for FSD other competitor will catch up anytime soon. meaning FSD fail to deliver.
Elon said there won't be retrofit "15k and no future free upgrades? so why bother to pay FSD in full?"
Unless Elon plans to retrofit all paid FSD once FSD is fully functional (lvl5)
Imagine an infant or a baby in your car and it does phantom braking even you are under control of the car, it shocked your baby/infant(yes it will cause brain damage for those who doesn't know)
time to file a lawsuit for that matter.
fitting HDradar makes it more capable to avoid any accident even a small object.
radar is a must have.
if tesla doesn't want to give out HDradar whom paid for FSD other competitor will catch up anytime soon. meaning FSD fail to deliver.
Elon said there won't be retrofit "15k and no future free upgrades? so why bother to pay FSD in full?"
Unless Elon plans to retrofit all paid FSD once FSD is fully functional (lvl5)
Imagine an infant or a baby in your car and it does phantom braking even you are under control of the car, it shocked your baby/infant(yes it will cause brain damage for those who doesn't know)
time to file a lawsuit for that matter.
smogne41
Active Member
I feel for the Tesla techs in all this. There is no way they personally can fix PB when it is brought to them and there is nothing 'broken' with the car, but they can't just tell you "yeah sometimes the car with just try and cause an accident, be careful!"
