Phantom braking is caused by the lack of software maturity, I would have used Ka-band for the front. Rear K-band radar is for rear cross-traffic alert, my current $30k vehicle has that option and works much better than visible cameras - Please read my above post carefully. Do you have a background in radar design? I would love to discuss it with you further.
I've seen claims from people that part of phantom braking is caused by the fact that TACC is analyzing more than just the lanes ahead and that extra input either leads to errors from noise in the algorithm or legitimate braking events that mere mortals don't recognize (depending on your views of Tesla's infallibility.) Those ostensibly include traffic behind the car. It's not at all clear to me how braking for something behind you will do anything other than increase your chances of being rear-ended, but I've seen people make the claim.
I don't have a background in radar design (although I studied it in more detail than most people in this forum, given I have been following Tesla's developments since even before AP1), but I don't see how it is relevant to the issue (in fact it can lead to a biased take to prefer a certain tech).
He changed his argument in his response. Read his original claim. It was that "By placing radars at the front and rear of the car, Tesla would have solved most of phantom braking issues". Saying it's a software issue is the opposite of that (and supports my rebuttal to the original argument).
The change was due to my error of lumping the two radar systems (forward and rear) in one statement. These radars were mentioned for two different applications. I promise I will proofread my statements before hitting the button.
Does driving it like a normal car… Does that include good safe adaptive cruise control like on like my Subaru and Volvo?
No. It means foot goes on accelerator, foot goes on brake, hands go on steering wheel.
except most normal cars (all normal cars in Tesla's price range) have adaptive cruise. That works reliably
If the weather is bad enough that you need radar to see objects you really shouldn't be using cruise control, anyway.
I've been on the freeway in a driving rainstorm and the Eyesight on my Subaru will eventually disengage with a warning about not being able to "see". But I've also been in situations where I could barely see the car in front of me from the spray being kicked up and my Eyesight functioned perfectly. I don't understand how a relatively inexpensive SUV like my Ascent has such good adaptive cruise and the Tesla doesn't.
Yes - that’s my question, too. We have a Forester and I’ve brought up the same question several times. I’ve been accused of being a Subaru fanboy because of it but really I’m just a fan of what works.
Read my response (the one directed at you) in whole, your point about the front radar is wrong too. Again, if it isn't clear: Teslas with front radar has phantom braking too. Your point is wrong because your premise is wrong.
“The lead plaintiffs, all current and former Subaru owners, say that EyeSight technology suffers from a number of dangerous vehicle safety defects. These defects allegedly cause the lane assist function in Subarus to engage without reason, as well as the automatic braking system. Their class action lawsuit contends that the carmaker knew of these defects, but still sold the cars, touting their safety and reliability. “
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“The lead plaintiffs, all current and former Subaru owners, say that EyeSight technology suffers from a number of dangerous vehicle safety defects. These defects allegedly cause the lane assist function in Subarus to engage without reason, as well as the automatic braking system. Their class action lawsuit contends that the carmaker knew of these defects, but still sold the cars, touting their safety and reliability. “
Nationwide Class Action Lawsuit Filed Over Subaru Eyesight Problems
Consumers say that Subaru vehicles equipped with EyeSight technology pose serious problems in a nationwide class action lawsuit.
Oh Subaru system is so prefect, not.
Just like you told me if something works for you doesn’t mean it works for everyone, right?
I wish most of you stop repeating ignorant statements about others got it working and Tesla don’t. Which is not true at all. If you do more research everyone has some way or another glitches and problems in Driving Assistance systems. So Tesla is no different in that regard but at least thanks to FSD beta they are working on it and constantly improving the reliability of such system.
