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Phone Distracted Driver on Autopilot Slams into Firetruck

Discussion in 'Model S' started by cwerdna, May 12, 2018.

  1. cwerdna

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    2BE9AF7D-C8D1-4A4E-930F-8DBE3EACC0D8.png Thank fully this time, this article doesn’t claim it was auto pilot... yet
     
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    The report claims that the Tesla hit the back of a fire truck at 60MPH and didn’t break or slow down.

    Would any of the onboard safety features kicked in or can they all be disabled?
     
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    Sounds eerily similar to the Tesla that ran into the fire truck on the 405 in Los Angeles earlier
     
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  6. Fellsteruk

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    Sorry didn’t see your post

    Mods feel free to nuke
     
  7. Huskyf

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    Why people continue to use autopilot on a red light it's not designed for that please all peoples take a look on your manual before it's to late for all of us.
     
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  8. croman

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    AP2 release notes were for local roads. How many local roads don't have red lights?

    Tesla's inconsistent messaging creates ambiguity.

    Bottom line is people shouldn't use AP unless they are paying attention. End of story.
     
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    Don’t get my MX till September and the EU being such a nanny state I wouldn’t be shocked if AP is banned before I even get it, waste of 5k

    Let’s hope not!!!
     
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    "It’s not known if the Autopilot system was engaged during the crash."
     
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  11. redy

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    Yep.

    Clickbait headline.
     
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    Jeez., sure seems like distracted driving.

    When I use AP on local streets (and of course highway), I slow vehicle down manually using stalk well in advance of congestion or stoplight so vehicle can safely adjust to stopped traffic.
     
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    The traffic light makes no difference in this instance. If TACC or AP was in use, it would have slowed and stopped behind the fire truck.
     
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    I believe it is unlikely that the driver of the Tesla was using TACC or AP, otherwise the Tesla would have sensed the stationary fire truck and stopped appropriately. There have been incidents, including during Tesla test drives, in which the driver inadvertently turns off TACC by lightly touching the brake pedal but assumes that TACC is still engaged. If this happens while approaching a stopped vehicle, a rear-end collision can result if the driver is not paying close attention. This scenario would be more likely to occur if the Follow Distance setting was set to minimum.
     
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    I don't think this is correct.

    TACC has this warning:

    Warning:
    Traffic-Aware
    Cruise Control
    cannot detect all objects and may not
    brake/decelerate for stationary vehicles
    or objects, especially in situations when
    you are driving over 50 mph (80 km/h)
    and in situations where a vehicle you are
    following moves out of your driving path
    and a stationary vehicle or object is in
    front of you.

    Collision Avoidance Assist has this warning:

    If driving 29 mph (46 km/h) or faster, the
    brakes are released after Automatic
    Emergency Braking has reduced your driving
    speed by 25 mph (40 km/h). For example, if
    Automatic Emergency Braking applies braking
    when driving 56 mph (90 km/h), it releases
    the brakes when your speed has been reduced
    to 31 mph (50 km/h).

    Neither of these are certain to bring a car traveling over 50mph to a stop behind a stationary fire truck.
     
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    Looks like an AP1 car based on the outline of the front camera. I think you can see the dedicated rain sensor to the left of the camera opening.
     
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  17. ToddRLockwood

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    I've driven numerous times in stop-and-go highway traffic using TACC with AP1, and I've never encountered a situation in which a stopped vehicle in my lane was not recognized. I do keep the Follow Distance set to 3 or 4 car lengths, never less than that. If anything, TACC seems overly cautious with vehicles ahead of me, even those only partially in my lane.

    That is an interesting note about Collision Avoidance Assist. I don't recall seeing that explanation when I received my Model S two years ago. I gather that the intention is to prevent complete loss of steering control prior to impact.
     
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    The point about 'stop & go' traffic is that the car gets to see the one in front 'go' before it 'stops', this is very different from coming upon a stopped vehicle that it never saw 'go'.

    When it is tracking a moving object that stops moving it is far more likely to handle it correctly than when it encounters an object that it has not seen moving...

    All of this still comes back to the fundamental point that we should never depend on the car to stop on its own...
     
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    I've definitely had a couple of instances where AP1 did not recognize a fully stopped vehicle in front of me. It's only ever happened when they were already stopped before I ever saw them. It's been no problem though because I always pay attention whether or not I'm using autopilot. So I stop the car myself, no big deal.
     
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    I think it is very likely AP was on. If he was going 50+mph and came up on the fire truck stopped at a red light, it is common for AP to not recognize it and act.

    But the driver could have had it off and still been texting.
     
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