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His words were "the design of a 400V charger would have been completely different". I believe that on a technical way, so it stick with supporting 280V.

This makes sense from a technical standpoint. The car's charger, in order to do power-factor-correction on the AC input signal, most likely uses a boost converter topology, i.e. always increasing the instantaneous voltage from the plug to match the needed DC voltage to charge the battery. If the instantaneous input voltage ever goes above that of the battery, the charger's topology would have to change to a buck/boost design.
 
Interesting comment here from Coulomb

J1772 accommodates any country’s electrical system, said Kissel, whose title at GM is Engineering Specialist, RSS Charging Systems, Charging Codes, Standards, and Infrastructure.

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SAE hopes J1772 becomes the main global standard for all types of charging. Kissel said that some European OEMs are incorporating the J1772 specifications into their EV designs because the standard is well established. He noted that J1772 is a good solution for Europe because there is no other established standard there and because there are no “completed production tools” for the proposed IEC connectors, “where with the SAE standard, you can actually go out and buy the [Level 1 and 2] connector and plug-in receptacle today.”

But it’s not clear that J1772 will win out. Richard Lowenthal, CEO of charging station maker Coulomb, said his company’s biggest client is the city of Amsterdam, whose 120 stations will be equipped with something other than a J1772 connector. “In the U.S., everyone pretty much wants J1772. The story is over,” he said. “In Europe, not so much.”

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Most of his task force members want to see J1772 updated so a single plug can accommodate both dc fast charging and the slower ac charging of Level 1 and 2, Kissel said, “but it’s a very big challenge.” He noted that pins would have to be added to the current five-pin J1772 plug, and as a consequence it would have to be larger.

The task force is also considering how to incorporate features of, or perhaps outright adopt, the Japanese fast-charge standard. Either way, the goal is to have one plug for all types of charging so vehicles need not be designed with two space-eating receptacles, Kissel said.

Regarding the latter point, I don't see how you can have one receptacle if CHAdeMO is adopted outright.
 
Cross-post from "Boston Tech Talk" thread, due to relevance here:

Norbert posted
Maybe that corresponds to what he calls "DC Level 2" on this slide: http://visforvoltage.org/topics/ev-charging-stations

AndrewBissell replied:
Norbert - thanks for that link.

I think it's interesting to note how the DC proposals for the "Mennekes" connector work. Because there are already more pins (due to 3-phase support) they are able to do DC fast charge up to 70kW with the same connector.

Only to jump to 150kW do they need to add the extra heavy duty pins that the SAE J1772 DC proposal needs at the outset.

A very interesting French article (http://www.ifri.org/downloads/actuel...tandardsev.pdf) surveys all of this (not with total accuracy) and makes a very important observation that I think we all probably agree with but that the industry seems to be forgetting - Customers need standards to feel confident. (though they also observe that technology is evolving fast and it may be too soon to impose standards).
 
I guess the lesson is to get the standard right from the start. I see from Norbert's linked slides that SAE includes the possibility of 3P for AC level 3. That would require another change of connector. The advantage of going Mennekes from day one is that one can always run single phase through a connector designed for three, but not vice-versa.
 
@TEG I dearly love the many items you bring to our collective attention. But may I express a moment of frustration at posts that appear (in mobile view) as completely blank! (please try it yourself to see what I mean)

I guess there's a video there. But because you don't explicitly show the link or give even the barest one line synopsis of the content it's really hard to know whether it's worth switching out of mobile mode to discover the content or not.

So my plea is - explicit URL and a few words indicating the relevance of the link. Thanks!

Andrew
 
I also saw blank for this post on my phone, which is strange as it normally displays an embedded flash video just like on the PC.


Yes, agreed. Hoping the EU task force might mandate it if sense prevails, but compromise is more likely to appease national and vendor interests.

Having read a few other articles, I think that 2017 reference is a typo and should be 2011.
 
Sorry for not being able to Report earlier. I am just on my Trip down to Spain and just got 10.000km on my meter. More than 2400km Since I started. In Milan I have spoken to Elon Musk As well to JB Straubel. They were Not Really aware, that high current Single-Phase is Not easily available in Europe. JB promised me to work hard on offering 3-Phase charging on Modell S when being introduced in Europe, end of 2012. Highest Voltage is 277V and Single phase of American 480V 3-phase AC grid. The 300miles batterie will have 85-90 kWh a cording to Elon. JB Gold me, the liquid cooled AC-motor will Spin at 16.000rpm
 
Yes I get the feeling there is a serious US bias in Tesla. The same thing with the hitch options on the Model S. As I've mentioned before the BMW 5 series has a hitch option in Europe and not in the US. The European luxury sedans ARE used for towing though not boats or horse trailers or something insane like that. This is one of the reasons I'm very anxious to know the Norwegian prices and the US prices...

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