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Plaid Safety

Boza

2021 Model S LR+
Sep 24, 2021
32
26
Usa
Yes but people are complaining about buttons not the turning ratio. Also f1 drivers look down from time to time at their buttons. There are like 5 buttons on the yoke. How hard is it to remember where they are? I find it remarkable how dumb people are that they can't remember simple things yet can afford a 100k car.
That is the issue - buttons position keeps changing when you turn the wheel/yoke. Unless you look or think you will not know where they are. Hence, all wheels with buttons have non-essential functions like stereo or cruise control that one typically use when the wheel is relatively static on the highway.
The F1 yoke avoids that problem with keeping the position, relative to hands, consistent - no need to look or think.
This is not a criticism of the yoke itself (another topic altogether). This is about the decision to implement hard to press, constantly moving buttons for critical functionality - whether on yoke or traditional wheel.
The whole thing is designed with FSD in mind; not for an actual driver.
 
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SilentFlight

Member
Sep 5, 2021
113
52
Netherlands
If you insist on having capacitive touch buttons, then take it all the way and make them into tiny screens that I can configure to my liking. If not then please, put the turn signals on the corresponding side of the yoke. Left side to turn left and right side to turn right.
I think the turn signals should stay put, however they implement them. Even if they were on the corresponding sides of the yoke, as you turn it, they would alternate between being positioned as normal - up and down - reversed - down and up - normal as you turn the yoke. I have a Mercedes I have had for 7 years and I still need to look at the steering wheel buttons to figure out where they are if the wheel is not in the centered position. No big deal for changing the volume of your music or answering a call (though it can become a distraction) but it is unforgivable for something as critical to safe driving as the turn signals.
 
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Issaction

LR | Cream/White | 19" | RN1152 | July 02
Jul 15, 2021
83
124
Round Rock, TX
I’m aware I can cancel my order thanks.

This is a forum to discuss Tesla, right? Am I only allowed to share positive opinions?
You’re allowed to share whatever opinion you want just like others are allowed to share their opinion on why they think you’re wrong. Nobody is silencing you.
 
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VaztheDad

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Apr 23, 2019
121
88
Nashville, TN
Finally got a chance to sit in a yolk equipped car over the weekend.

First and most importantly, the interior refinement is an incredible generation ahead of my AP1 90D. The doors were solid, the inlay cloth appointment looked great. The fit, finish, and refinement was a giant leap forward. Even pockets in the door to store a water bottle!

Sadly I played through the yoke scenarios in my mind for a solid 10-15 minutes sitting in the cabin, holding it different ways - how I drive when spirited, when cruising down the highway, etc. and came to the decision I couldn't buy it. Multiple decades of pleasurable driving experience has been shaped around the wheel. It's not something I'm willing to negotiate on sadly. I think I could learn the buttons and the lack of stalks (it would suck), but hand position is muscle memory which I'm not willing to change on. From my daily, to my wife's daily, to my track toys... I'm bummed.

I'm 100% onboard with the PLAID and would be ready to order.

Not sure I'd call it a safety issue, but a it's enough to impede me from not moving forward with that sweet sweet 1.9 0-60.
 

lbowroom

Plaid, white with black, CF, 19’s. Delivered 8/27
Sep 12, 2018
1,299
2,993
Orange County
Finally got a chance to sit in a yolk equipped car over the weekend.

First and most importantly, the interior refinement is an incredible generation ahead of my AP1 90D. The doors were solid, the inlay cloth appointment looked great. The fit, finish, and refinement was a giant leap forward. Even pockets in the door to store a water bottle!

Sadly I played through the yoke scenarios in my mind for a solid 10-15 minutes sitting in the cabin, holding it different ways - how I drive when spirited, when cruising down the highway, etc. and came to the decision I couldn't buy it. Multiple decades of pleasurable driving experience has been shaped around the wheel. It's not something I'm willing to negotiate on sadly. I think I could learn the buttons and the lack of stalks (it would suck), but hand position is muscle memory which I'm not willing to change on. From my daily, to my wife's daily, to my track toys... I'm bummed.

I'm 100% onboard with the PLAID and would be ready to order.

Not sure I'd call it a safety issue, but a it's enough to impede me from not moving forward with that sweet sweet 1.9 0-60.
Some people refuse to adapt to regen, your choice
 
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Mark2018s

Member
Mar 22, 2021
78
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New York
Finally got a chance to sit in a yolk equipped car over the weekend.

First and most importantly, the interior refinement is an incredible generation ahead of my AP1 90D. The doors were solid, the inlay cloth appointment looked great. The fit, finish, and refinement was a giant leap forward. Even pockets in the door to store a water bottle!

Sadly I played through the yoke scenarios in my mind for a solid 10-15 minutes sitting in the cabin, holding it different ways - how I drive when spirited, when cruising down the highway, etc. and came to the decision I couldn't buy it. Multiple decades of pleasurable driving experience has been shaped around the wheel. It's not something I'm willing to negotiate on sadly. I think I could learn the buttons and the lack of stalks (it would suck), but hand position is muscle memory which I'm not willing to change on. From my daily, to my wife's daily, to my track toys... I'm bummed.

I'm 100% onboard with the PLAID and would be ready to order.

Not sure I'd call it a safety issue, but a it's enough to impede me from not moving forward with that sweet sweet 1.9 0-60.
You adapt to what you want to adapt to.

A lot of people decide they cant adapt to an electric car...we are a very adaptable species.

I would call it a refusal to get through the learning curve.
 
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bhzmark

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Jul 21, 2013
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6,150
Finally got a chance to sit in a yolk equipped car over the weekend.

First and most importantly, the interior refinement is an incredible generation ahead of my AP1 90D. The doors were solid, the inlay cloth appointment looked great. The fit, finish, and refinement was a giant leap forward. Even pockets in the door to store a water bottle!

Sadly I played through the yoke scenarios in my mind for a solid 10-15 minutes sitting in the cabin, holding it different ways - how I drive when spirited, when cruising down the highway, etc. and came to the decision I couldn't buy it. Multiple decades of pleasurable driving experience has been shaped around the wheel. It's not something I'm willing to negotiate on sadly. I think I could learn the buttons and the lack of stalks (it would suck), but hand position is muscle memory which I'm not willing to change on. From my daily, to my wife's daily, to my track toys... I'm bummed.

I'm 100% onboard with the PLAID and would be ready to order.

Not sure I'd call it a safety issue, but a it's enough to impede me from not moving forward with that sweet sweet 1.9 0-60.
Everything you say is correct and I agree that a regular wheel would be better. But the annoyance of the yolk is a relatively small price to pay for the benefits of the refresh generally and the plaid specifically.

That said, we will never be able to do this in our Plaids because of the stupid yoke.
 

Boza

2021 Model S LR+
Sep 24, 2021
32
26
Usa
You adapt to what you want to adapt to.

A lot of people decide they cant adapt to an electric car...we are a very adaptable species.

I would call it a refusal to get through the learning curve.
People do adapt - event to things that are not beneficial. That is why the adapting argument is not valid.
The real issue is not the yoke (while the implementation is more for show rather than real benefit) but the fact that Tesla did not offer wheel as an option. Even if we put aside the technical discussion (that horse has been beaten to death), from a business perspective, people are not likely to buy the car solely because of the yoke. However, people will likely -not- buy the car solely because of the yoke.
The FSD is nowhere near a point where we could sacrifice functionality (incl. what people are used to) for aesthetics.
 

Mark2018s

Member
Mar 22, 2021
78
45
New York
People do adapt - event to things that are not beneficial. That is why the adapting argument is not valid.
The real issue is not the yoke (while the implementation is more for show rather than real benefit) but the fact that Tesla did not offer wheel as an option. Even if we put aside the technical discussion (that horse has been beaten to death), from a business perspective, people are not likely to buy the car solely because of the yoke. However, people will likely -not- buy the car solely because of the yoke.
The FSD is nowhere near a point where we could sacrifice functionality (incl. what people are used to) for aesthetics.
I heard from an insider that the FSD is a lot farther along than is made public.
 
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