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PMAC vs induction motor for model 3
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We will need to see actual independent testing. Hyundai has a history of submitting false economy claims to the EPA.
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SageBrush
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Solely, surely not.
For one, the 'S' is much heavier
and second, it has a larger frontal area
After that perhaps the induction motor plays a part
JRP3
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cd has to do with the shape, that plus area creates total drag, cdA.
In some ways it would have been more useful if the industry published cDA numbers instead of cD.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, I think you were making the point that regen capability is limited more by the pack's ability to accept the resulting charge, and not necessarily by tire traction. Nonetheless, to clarify:
1) Grip is based traction of the tires. (It is likely, however, that the braking forces regen can exert based on the amount of energy the inverter/pack can handle is less than that needed to break tire traction)
2) As regen generates energy that is accepted by the battery, it's the charge rate the battery can accept that factors in to this. (not discharge)
3) The discharge rate of the battery is higher than the charge rate. (not lower)
The stronger AWD regen is likely due to a second drive unit that's able to take advantage of the rotational forces at a given speed.
(edit: I realize the poster's language was not English, my response is not intended to be critical)
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exactly
you can discharge faster than you can charge.
so you can have sub 6 sec acc, but you can't have sub 6 sec dec ( without brakes ), realistically you can have sub 18? 24? i don't know the exact numbers but it doesn't matter, the real force applied on the tires is during the acceleration phase, not during regen, so your tires won't slip from the sloppy dec forced by the regenerative force.
yes, exactly!
Sorry i've miswrote but this is what i meant
DR61
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Informative, but I would like to see the graph scaled to zero on the vertical axis for better perspective on proportional differences among the vehicles.
omgwtfbyobbq
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I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla's use of the brakes to mimic an LSD has a greater effect on efficiency than using an induction motor, especially during spirited driving.
SageBrush
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The Prius referenced in this document is the original, Gen1 Prius Plug-in, not the Prius Prime (2017). The Prius Prime can do 0-60 in all electric and has a range similar to the Ford PHEVs (about 25-30). And Toyota listened to Gen1 owners and allowed the Prime to drive in all electric, like the Volt, until the battery is "depleted", never forcing the engine on if the driver so chooses.
The Prime's 0-60 is over 12 seconds in EV mode. If you have passengers, or need full rated power, or encounter hills, you will have to burn gas. This gives a huge EV 'paper' advantage over the other cars, but not in actual use.
This is like comparing a Volt hypermiling to a Prime. New Volts go easily over 60 miles AER at 60 mph (70.4 mi on an actual freeway round trip), but never have to use gas to climb hills when any battery is left.
Yes, that's kinda what KERS systems do. The regen rate is not limited by lithium charging. It does require extra hardware hauled around all the time. It makes great sense on the track.... Not sure where the tradeoff is for street use.
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omgwtfbyobbq
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It looks like Seth (the reviewer) was doing it wrong. That's understandable too, since it's a new car to him, but the heat pump/AC should be capable of defrosting the windows to around 20F as long as there aren't too many people in the car.
Front Defroster - EV mode
Edit - Even the 1st gen Volt, which has ~1.5x the EV range of the Prime has ERDTT, which insideevs complained about. A fast defroster for a PHEV will likely fall back to the engine because it's really good at providing heat instead of using a larger/more powerful heater/heat pump like you would see in an EV.
Op-Ed: Where the 2016 Chevrolet Volt Falls Short
Front Defroster - EV mode
Edit - Even the 1st gen Volt, which has ~1.5x the EV range of the Prime has ERDTT, which insideevs complained about. A fast defroster for a PHEV will likely fall back to the engine because it's really good at providing heat instead of using a larger/more powerful heater/heat pump like you would see in an EV.
Op-Ed: Where the 2016 Chevrolet Volt Falls Short
You will use this little 'extra' energy in about a couple of seconds, it will get you very very little in gained range since it will only be used when you exeed the generous regen ability of the car ( wich of course in a race it's an every-brake situation, but in the street use it's about an emergency brake or similar ), at the cost of extra hardware.. a bad bargain.
And if you really need to stop so fast, it's better to use the brake.. at least you put the rust off if you use them once in a while
to me, all of those cars look like they were beaten with an ugly stick!
the model 3 is the only pure electric car I think that looks great for any car and not just an electric.And and the enhanced range and supercharged networks are just a bonus I would buy the model 3 without either of those.
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