DarkForest
10.69 made me a shill
I’d pay $20k for the optimism that FSD will only cost $20k in 3 years. Or that the bot will be remotely ready in 3 years.
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Poll: 3 years from now, would you rather pay for $20K for FSD or $20K for Tesla Bot?
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It will have a beta tag for undefined number of decades and the price will only go up every year, so buy now for the low low price of $20k! Hopefully it doesn’t need new sensors after a couple of architecture rewrites.
electrifyme
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Elon talked about that and stressed that you can build more capable robots in low volume and extremely high price. Tesla bot is meant to be cheap and high volume. It’s also shooting for autonomous. Apples and oranges.
But this robot was not doing this 1 year after the company was founded.
True but.....Boston Dynamics has been developing bots since 1992 and Tesla for only about 9 months and is a "side" project. Also Atlas is designed using the most expensive materials and parts and it must be programed for all actions and monitored. The videos they make are extremely choreographed and adhere to strict programing sequences. Any deviation from the program and it is a total unrecoverable fail. See video below. Even Spot which is for sale is $75k, hand built and comes with a controller pad. Tesla on the other hand is looking to make them out of mass making materials on an assumably line. Plus use general AI from the Neural Net to drive it so it will NOT have to be programed and controlled.
Of course only time will tell but the Tesla approach is geared more to a widely available and affordable general purpose bot that doesn't need constant monitoring than Boston Dynamics specialized/expensive and highly controlled systems.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
How do you strictly program something like walking on snow? Or the human pushing the robot (unless the human is also a robot???)?
Talking about how quickly Optimus was created seems silly. It's way easier to reproduce what has already been done than it is to advance the field. There is an immense quantity of public research papers on everything Tesla demoed (some written by Boston Dynamics engineers).
This just seems like a case of creating a cheaper version of something that is useless (has anyone actually used a Boston Dynamics robot to automate a task?).
“But..but….Elons robot has a brain!”
I swear some of these Elon stans go along with ANYTHING he says/does.
I swear some of these Elon stans go along with ANYTHING he says/does.
Cheburashka
Active Member
This was the thing with a brain lmao? It can't even stand on it's own?
Silicon Desert
Well-Known Member
If that is what he said, then does that mean it will really be 9 years and $60K since he is typically off estimates by a factor of 3 or more ?
DarkForest
10.69 made me a shill
He said 3 to 5 years.If that is what he said, then does that mean it will really be 9 years and $60K since he is typically off estimates by a factor of 3 or more ?
Tam
Well-Known Member
Yes, it's easier to replicate others who use lidar but Tesla doesn't use Lidar in its car, while Boston Dynamics has a spinning Lidar on its 2016 robot:
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Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Sure, that just goes along with making a cheaper version of something that is useless. There would be an argument for doing that if what was preventing people from using Boston Dynamics robots was the cost; people don't use them because they're currently useless.
Not using LIDAR on the bot saves even less money than not using LIDAR on a car. iPhones have short range LIDAR, it's cheap.
It was good to hear Elon emphasize that the goal is to create something useful but it's very unclear what that will be.
RoBoRaT
PoPeYeD'SaiLoRDuDe
$20K of TSLA now.
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$20K of TSLA now.
TSLA $266.05 per share.
Let see how much we have in 3 years.
Me: "Hey Google, set reminder to check TSLA Bot in 3 years"
Google: "Sure, I'll remind you on October 3rd, 2025 at 3:58 PM".
BRB
and
$20K of TSLA now.
TSLA $266.05 per share.
Let see how much we have in 3 years.
Me: "Hey Google, set reminder to check TSLA Bot in 3 years"
Google: "Sure, I'll remind you on October 3rd, 2025 at 3:58 PM".
BRB
FSD was supposed to be useful... You’re kidding yourself to believe anything Elon says
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
I believe that some people think FSD is useful! (I don't think it will ever be useful to me until it's driverless)
I'm sure some people would find a robot that requires constant supervision useful as well.
Some people would be happy to have Optimus sit in their laps and drive the car for them as they supervise.
Though I assume Elon was talking about it being useful by actually replacing a human worker. That seems about as challenging as driverless FSD (easier because safety isn't nearly as much of a concern but harder because the scope is so much larger).
Cheburashka
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