I would like to hear from 60 kWh owners. Afterwards, now that you have had your car for awhile, would you change your mind?
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After owning a 60 kwh for 3 years my conclusion is simple - more range is always better.
Not that the range has been a real issue, especially with the supercharger network around here in Norway.
I do regret not putting in the extra bucks for an 85, in 2014 the difference was like 8000 USD, not that much compared to the jump from 75 to 100 now. If not for the real need for range, it does give you peace of mind knowing you have an extra range buffer available.
Got a 75D on the way now, the 15 kwh extra will do wonders for ease of mind for my long distance driving.
the more range - the better in my opinion.
Not in the past you didn't - the older 60's were built with actual 60 kwhr batteries. It is only recently that the 60's have been physical 75's that you can software unlock.Am I missing something, but don't you have the ability to upgrade to 75kwh for a couple of thousand dollars?
Not in the past you didn't - the older 60's were built with actual 60 kwhr batteries. It is only recently that the 60's have been physical 75's that you can software unlock.
Just shows how some of us value range. I held out until the cost was $2000, which I thought was a near steal. If nothing else, I believe resale value will be at least $2000 higher, but who knows. Others like you believe that is still too expensive to add about 40 miles of range.I traded an 85 for a 60 because I wanted the AP2 hardware. I never came very close to using all of the 85 and after 8 months with the 60 I can say the same for it. I guess if they ever offer the 75 upgrade for a few hundred dollars I might do it but even then I'm not sure.
Range proofed. That's the main reason I think I'll get the 310 mile Model 3. Almost no one even thinks about range when buying an ICE -- although I have a friend who always has a reserve tank in the bed of his pickup! -- and I think the same thing will happen when all electric vehicles have at least 300 miles of range. Of course, given the inefficiency of Supercharging beyond about 80% and the effects of temperature and elevation, it could be argued that to get to 300 range proof miles, you need a battery rated at 400 miles or more. (I know many current Tesla owners believe in the theory that it's best to just have enough juice to get to the next Supercharger, but some old fogies like me can't even stand to drive on the last quarter of a gas tank, much less drain the battery to near empty before Supercharging.)I have a 2017 60D that I kinda wish I'd made a 100D. My reasoning was that I'd keep it only 12-24 months and then upgrade to whatever autopilot 3, or the refreshed interior was. With business tax savings + fuel savings the argument makes some sense. BUT I love the car so much I could see myself driving it 5 years or longer despite newer Tesla tech - the air suspension, ventilated premium seats, HEPA filter and AP2 hardware check all the boxes I need for comfort and future proofing (car is smooth riding and quieter than my 2016).
So NOW I wish I had the 100D - that I had "range proofed" myself more. It's my only regret. Oh well. OTOH I need that range so infrequently I haven't even laid out the $2K to upgrade to the 75D so it is largely in my imagination - at least 'til winter comes in Wisconsin and it his -15 - and my range is chopped in half.
Yep - get the 310 M3 - that's what I'm getting. And I agree - 400 would better.Range proofed. That's the main reason I think I'll get the 310 mile Model 3. Almost no one even thinks about range when buying an ICE -- although I have a friend who always has a reserve tank in the bed of his pickup! -- and I think the same thing will happen when all electric vehicles have at least 300 miles of range. Of course, given the inefficiency of Supercharging beyond about 80% and the effects of temperature and elevation, it could be argued that to get to 300 range proof miles, you need a battery rated at 400 miles or more. (I know many current Tesla owners believe in the theory that it's best to just have enough juice to get to the next Supercharger, but some old fogies like me can't even stand to drive on the last quarter of a gas tank, much less drain the battery to near empty before Supercharging.)
I've had my MS60 now for 9 months, and it's my daily driver. Even at $2k I'm not able to justify the upgrade to 75. I don't do a lot of long range driving though. The long trips I've taken though would have required me to stop at the same number of superchargers whether I had a 75 or 60. The 100 is a different thing altogether. Then you do get to skip superchargers, but it's a lot of cash. That being said, if I did more long range trips in cold weather, then I could see the extra range being helpful.
I'm leasing because getting the Tesla was just a "fun thing to do." I really wasn't willing to make an investment out of it, and the extra range was expensive. And boy, have they changed the rules a lot in the last 9 months! The value is a lot better now imho. Hold out for 3 months and the only MS will be a 100 and come with the teleportation feature standard.
It does take some time to get over the idea of running the charge down lower than you would be comfortable with in an ICE, What is tough to realize unless you drive a Tesla for a while is that, unlike even the best ICE, you know a LOT more information about your range and the amount of "fuel" in the "tank". Car gas gauges are notoriously inaccurate, especially on older cars. You really have no idea how much gas you are using, although that has improved in recent cars.... (I know many current Tesla owners believe in the theory that it's best to just have enough juice to get to the next Supercharger, but some old fogies like me can't even stand to drive on the last quarter of a gas tank, much less drain the battery to near empty before Supercharging.)
...time-consuming (having to recharge at EVERY charger).
I want to stop every 1 1/2 to 2 hours, and in general the SCs are spaced appropriately for that. However, Tesla is catching on that the chargers need to be closer together in colder climates. It is possible that, in the future, travel in the summer in these areas will allow skipping Superchargers.If it helps, it doesn't matter what size battery you have. If you're using appropriate logic in your planning, it's almost always faster overall to stop at every charger. It seems like it's longer because you stop so often...But it's not.
The break even point is usually in the 40-70 mile range, depending on your battery size and the distance off your route.
EV trip planner does a good job of calculating the differences in trip time.
I want to stop every 1 1/2 to 2 hours, and in general the SCs are spaced appropriately for that.