TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker and becoming a Supporting Member. For more info: Support TMC

Poll: ABRP or Trip Planner

Discussion in 'Model 3: Battery & Charging' started by davidu406, Sep 24, 2020.

?

ABRP or Tesla Built In Trip Planner

  1. ABRP

    16 vote(s)
    61.5%
  2. Trip Planner

    10 vote(s)
    38.5%
  1. davidu406

    davidu406 Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2019
    Messages:
    30
    Location:
    Seattle
    Hi Friends,

    I am gearing up to go on a long road trip again. I have used ABRP in the past--but haven't travelled for a bit. Wondering if the build in Trip Planner is getting better, or if ABRP is still far superior? Does Trip Planner account for weather and things like that, given that it can access all that data from inside the car? Interested to hear others experience over the last 6-12 months with Trip Planner improvements!
     
  2. Ruffles

    Ruffles Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2017
    Messages:
    245
    Location:
    Hillsboro OR
    I use both. I plan my trips online with ABRP since you can add in waypoints and return trips to make sure my plans are possible and then I use the trip planner in the car with the trip energy screen to monitor how I'm trending while driving for each leg of the trip.
     
    • Like x 2
  3. Rocky_H

    Rocky_H Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2015
    Messages:
    5,264
    Location:
    Boise, ID
    Well, neither. I hate the interface of ABRP. So for offline pre-looking before a trip, I use www.evtripplanner.com. That's just to check sometimes if a route doesn't have really obvious interstate highway Supercharger coverage, and I need to see about a longer stretch. But then when I'm actually driving, the nav in the car is just fine. I select the next Supercharger and go. I don't like to be really uptight and detailed about pre-plotting out stops and how many minutes, etc. etc.

    If you're talking about the trip planning tool on Tesla's website, that is garbage--don't even try to use that.
     
    • Like x 1
  4. animorph

    animorph Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2016
    Messages:
    2,050
    Location:
    Scottsdale, AZ
    ABRP for pre-trip planning. In-car nav for real-time execution.

    Nav was good for me, a little optimistic for my lead-foot wife. As far as I know it doesn't explicitly consider weather, other than the effects it had during your last 30 miles. That probably led to our problem when switching drivers, with the wife's last 30 miles going into my initial estimate and my last 30 into her initial estimate. Kind of a pain if the initial estimate was optimistic and you end up having to slow down. Once you get going (30 miles into your driving segment) the nav estimate settles down nicely. It's never going to be perfect.
     
  5. Yapa Drive

    Yapa Drive Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2019
    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    Silverton, Oregon
    #5 Yapa Drive, Sep 24, 2020
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2020
    We did our first long trip from Oregon to Nebraska. I planned the trip on both before we left. The arrival times were similar. I preferred Tesla’s trip planner. It’s easier in the car. While the trip segments are often longer we were more relaxed at our destinations. I was surprised at the price of ABRP yearly subscription. It is too high for the amount of use we would get from it & I don’t want a monthly subscription either.
    We played backgammon while charging & the games can take longer than the charging. We didn’t want to leave a game unfinished.:D
     
    • Like x 2
  6. XLR82XS

    XLR82XS D M C

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2019
    Messages:
    2,658
    Location:
    SWFL | Vegas
    Never liked ABRP - I use the car system. As others have mentioned, navigating to a supercharger vs. your end destination helps.
    Any trip I take more than a full charge away, I navigate to SC.
     
    • Like x 1
  7. Michelle_eriw

    Michelle_eriw Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2020
    Messages:
    545
    Location:
    USA
    My major concern with Trip Planner is that it doesn't take into account round trips (other than telling you how much would be available for a return trip). Driving from my home to Gatlinburg, TN, for example, would not leave enough charge for me to get to the first supercharger on the return trip. And there are no destination chargers at all in Gatlinburg. By plotting a round trip on line, it can be done with a 15-minute (each way) detour to a supercharger, but the in-car trip planner can't tell me about that.

    Someone asked, during battery day, about waypoints, and Musk replied that it can be done. So maybe it will be there in a few revisions of the software.
     
  8. boiler81

    boiler81 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    657
    Location:
    Manson, WA
    For extended road trips(multi-day), especially in winter, I use ABRP.
    If you configure the set-up, it can take into account your driving speed(exceeding posted limit), outside temperature, weather condition (dry or wet), vehicle extra load, etc. Tesla's in-car planner left me driving at reduced speeds several times, just to make it to the next charger. (it doesn't take exterior temp. or speed into account).
     
  9. Rocky_H

    Rocky_H Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2015
    Messages:
    5,264
    Location:
    Boise, ID
  10. Michelle_eriw

    Michelle_eriw Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2020
    Messages:
    545
    Location:
    USA
  11. Rocky_H

    Rocky_H Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2015
    Messages:
    5,264
    Location:
    Boise, ID
    Sure. Do you think only Tesla branded electrons can run your car?
     
  12. Michelle_eriw

    Michelle_eriw Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2020
    Messages:
    545
    Location:
    USA
    My comment was about Destination Chargers. Those are not Destination Chargers. Further, one is not available unless you are staying at that motel, and I suspect that the other is only for customers at that restaurant.
     
  13. Rottenapplr

    Rottenapplr Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2019
    Messages:
    880
    Location:
    LOS ANGELES
    If you are just calculating for pushing limits of charging abrp is good but in all honesty I use the Tesla planner and I’ve taken close to 15 road trips in the year and a half since I’ve owned it. It’s fine I usually like having a buffer of 15% so if I arrive at a charger less than that I either stay longer or go to a closer charger. That it. Not sure why people would really need abrp unless you are pushing time. Like when I was making sure I don’t get stranded in Death Valley I used abrp just for preliminary route planning but then used the Tesla planner while driving.
     
  14. ULEWZ

    ULEWZ Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2020
    Messages:
    96
    Location:
    Northridge CA
    I just did a round trip from Los Angeles to Idaho and the Tesla Planner had me reduce speed one time to 65mph in a 75mph zone, which had semi trucks, and towing vehicles having to pass me. What the Tesla Planner did was skip a charging station to save me time? So on the return trip, I mapped things out in ABRP and using the Tesla Planner, just added destinations to the third supercharger location. No missed charging stations anymore and I can go 80mph, my desired speed on the fwy. Never trust the car to plan on the fly, always have it mapped out before hand and make sure you don't miss a charging station. Any leg longer than 200 miles can be problematic, so plan accordingly.
     
    • Informative x 2
  15. Rocky_H

    Rocky_H Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2015
    Messages:
    5,264
    Location:
    Boise, ID
    Yes, these do not happen to be that particular brand. What I don't get is why you have an aversion to using them and are dismissing them as unusable. They are not any different than the Tesla (TM) ones.
    ...or eat at their restaurant.
    ...or offer them $10 to let you use it.
    Regardless, this would be exactly the same case with any Tesla brand Destination Charger. They are almost all at hotels. You seem to think Tesla Destination Chargers (TM) are always freely available. They generally aren't. They are provided by businesses who are paying for the electricity to them, so they do reserve them for their customers or charge money for the use of them, which is just like the two locations I just pointed out.
    Yeah, or probably if you offer them a few bucks. Still, why do you expect them to be free? Why is there a problem with paying these places for the use of their amenities if you need charging?
     
  16. Rocky_H

    Rocky_H Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2015
    Messages:
    5,264
    Location:
    Boise, ID
    Yep--that is why I warn people of this every chance I get on the forums. This is an awful thing to do to people. The Nav planning in the car is fine IF you are picking your next Supercharger directly. But if you just pick your far off final destination, and let it try to pick which Superchargers you should use, it tries to skip some that you really need and really screws things up for people.
     
    • Like x 1
  17. Michelle_eriw

    Michelle_eriw Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2020
    Messages:
    545
    Location:
    USA
    I am not expecting them to be free, but I would like for them to be convenient. Those two are so inconveniently located as to be useless for me.
     
  18. Koolio46

    Koolio46 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2020
    Messages:
    229
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    I've read you posting this in other threads and thank you for that! I'm taking delivery tomorrow and will remember this for my long trips...first one will be this weekend.
     
    • Like x 1
  19. kurtatx

    kurtatx Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    79
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    Follow ABRP but use TP
     
  20. snellenr

    snellenr Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2013
    Messages:
    407
    Location:
    Northern Michigan
    I’ve been using an iOS app named “EV Trip Optimizer for Tesla” for long trip planning (between TX and CA, MI, or FL) for several years. Lots of automated features to plan charging stops, but the feature I use most is that I can set a “preferred” length of driving day (say, 9 hours) and it’ll show me where that puts me along the route (with charging time included) - I pick a waypoint nearby and segment the trip there. Rinse and repeat to chop the trip into segments.

    I use the in-car nav during the trip to keep an eye on things. I program the intended waypoints into the nav as favorites before I leave, then bounce between selecting the waypoint or intermediate Superchargers as needed. As I close in on the current day’s waypoint, I’ll select the following day’s waypoint from favorites to help figure how how much I need to charge for tomorrow’s driving.

    I’ve tried using ABRP, but could never get used to the user interface...
     
    • Like x 1

Share This Page

  • About Us

    Formed in 2006, Tesla Motors Club (TMC) was the first independent online Tesla community. Today it remains the largest and most dynamic community of Tesla enthusiasts. Learn more.
  • Do you value your experience at TMC? Consider becoming a Supporting Member of Tesla Motors Club. As a thank you for your contribution, you'll get nearly no ads in the Community and Groups sections. Additional perks are available depending on the level of contribution. Please visit the Account Upgrades page for more details.


    SUPPORT TMC