Poll: Are you in favor or against U.S. doing more in Ukraine?

[Tam]

...People in Russia are afraid to speak badly of Putin, even private conversations over phones and apps, because they believe Putin is listening.

It's a dictator regime so these facts are consistent with its nature.

Tesla is very obedient in China but very confrontational in the US. That's because China is also a dictator.

Saddam Hussein was also a dictator and the Kurds listened to President Bush, Senior to not be afraid and to oppose the dictator, the Kurds were slaughtered.

So being afraid can be a good asset for survival.

 

[Tam]

...I wish this country didn't act like it was afraid of a confrontation with Putin.

It's not about courage, it's about smart: Why get the hands dirty when there's a pawn to do that.

The lady in the CBC report said Donbass is a disposable pawn for both the West and the East.

 

[Terminator857]

It's not about courage, it's about smart: Why get the hands dirty when there's a pawn to do that.

The lady in the CBC report said Donbass is a disposable pawn for both the West and the East.

It's not about getting dirty, it is about image, about not looking weak and perhaps even being feared. See the art of war: the best battle won is the one where you didn't have to fight. A quote from The Art of War

 

[Tam]

It's not about getting dirty, it is about image, about not looking weak and perhaps even being feared. See the art of war: the best battle won is the one where you didn't have to fight. A quote from The Art of War

As stated earlier, if there is integrity at all, NATO needs to protects Ukraine once it expressed its intention to join and when Russia demanded NATO to stop the expansion.

It didn't happen because NATO could still achieve its goal by using Ukraine as a disposable pawn.

The goal is to weaken Russia. When Russia is angry at the NATO expansion and goes to war, it's not NATO who is bruised. It's the pawn Ukraine who will get bruised and Russia who is weaken.

 

[Terminator857]

In other words it is better to be perceived as a lion rather than as a sheep.

 

[Tam]

...thoughts?...

It looks like Poland does not want to be a sacrificial pawn to follow the US plan to first give its MiG-29 to Ukraine then the US would backfill with F-16. As mentioned above, the potential problem is: Ukraine pilots might have to:

1) take off
2) land
3) refuel/reload
4) and most importantly, do the maintenance

most likely at Poland airports.

It's true that Poland is under NATO's protection but why would it want to be a disposable pawn for the West and Russia to tear it apart?

That's why Poland is now shifting that bullseye to the US military airport in Germany by issuing the statement of transferring all its MiG-29 out of Poland to there.

Poland to send MIG-29 jets to Ramstein Air Base

Poland will be sending MIG-29 fighter jets to the Ramstein Air Base in Germany and has asked the U.S. to backfill them with appropriate aircraft. NBC's Dan De Luce and Courtney Kube discuss what this move could mean amid Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Terminator857]

I'm disappointed the U.S. doesn't like Poland's plan. Lets be Lion's instead of sheep, please.

 

[Tam]

...army...

Tesla has about 5,000 owners in Ukraine although Tesla has not started business there.

Tesla owners have had free Tesla Superchargers near Ukraine during the war (none has arrived in Ukraine but there are some in Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia).

Also, there's a 3 month paid leave for conscripted Tesla employees fighting in Ukraine:

Tesla will pay Ukrainian employees for up to 3 months if they are conscripted to fight

Tesla employees were also praised for helping SpaceX, the aerospace venture also led by Tesla CEO Elon Musk.

www.cnbc.com

 

[DanCar]

The war in Ukraine is a very difficult geopolitical problem, perhaps the most difficult one since the Cuban missile crisis.

If we get involved too much to help Ukraine, we risk a direct war with Russia which would basically mean WW3.

Helping wipe out Putin and the Oligarchs seems like a very good deed for the U.S. and NATO. But understand most don't want to take the risk to help our buddies in Ukraine. Most seem content to just supply arms to Ukraine. Can we supply advance arms to Ukraine? Our best drones? In addition to sending patriot missile system to Poland can we also send to Ukraine?

 

[diplomat33]

Helping wipe out Putin and the Oligarchs seems like a very good deed for the U.S. and NATO. But understand most don't want to take the risk to help our buddies in Ukraine.

I agree wiping out Putin and the oligarchs is a good goal for the US and NATO. It's just a question of how you do it without triggering a nuclear war. So yeah, it's very risky. Ideally, it would be great if it came from within, like a coup or popular uprising that ousted Putin and his cronies, just as long as Putin's replacement was not worst.

Most seem content to just supply arms to Ukraine. Can we supply advance arms to Ukraine? Our best drones?

Yeah, supplying arms to Ukraine seems like the natural way to help Ukraine defend itself militarily without directly engaging Russia. But Russia could argue that providing arms to Ukraine is siding with Russia's enemy, and therefore makes us a participant in the war. But where does Russia draw the line between "We don't like it but we'll it slide" and "That's too many arms, this means war!". That is why the US is ok with sending small arms like shoulder fired rockets but not ok with larger weapons like fighter jets.

 

[Tam]

...drones?...

The US didn't want to sell drones to Turkey so Turkey made its own and sell it to the world with a cheap price of 1 to 2 million dollars each.

Ukraine has been resupplied with Turkey's drones.

A cheap drone is giving Ukraine’s military an edge against Russia

Meet the Bayraktar TB2.

qz.com

The US would sell its drones to very few nations so it's unclear what's it's position on Ukraine.

Trump allows defense contractors to sell more armed drones to foreign militaries

The modified U.S. drone export policy is largely viewed as a Trump administration effort to sell more weapons overseas.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Tam]

...the U.S. doing more than it is currently...

I didn't know about this movie until there was a big fuss about Youtube banning the 2016 movie "Ukraine on Fire" filmed by the famous director Oliver Stone. So, by hiding it, it creates the opposite effect!

Oliver Stone’s 2016 Ukraine Documentary Banned on YouTube — World of Reel

Someone gave me a lead on YouTube erasing this Oliver Stone documentary titled, “Ukraine on Fire.”

www.worldofreel.com

You can watch it in some places such as:

Ukraine On Fire

Ukraine. Across its eastern border is Russia and to its west-Europe. For centuries, it has been at the center of a tug-of-war between powers seeking to control its rich lands and access to the Black S

rumble.com

It does give quite a coverage on how protecting the World-War-2 Ukraine Nazis in the old days and supporting current Ukraine Neo-Nazis by the US has brought us to where we are now.

More materials to read about the US role in supporting Ukraine's Neo-Nazis:

There Is No Wisdom in Pretending That Ukraine's Neo-Nazis Don't Exist

"We should not be surprised when the U.S. alliance with neo-Nazi proxy forces in Ukraine, including the infusion of billions of dollars in sophisticated weapons, results in similarly violent and destructive blowback."

www.commondreams.org

A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War

In 2014 Ukraine, great power gamesmanship, righteous anger at a corrupt status quo, and opportunistic far-right extremists toppled the government in the Maidan Revolution. Today’s crisis in Ukraine can’t be understood without understanding Maidan.

jacobinmag.com

 

[DanCar]

The 2016 documentary "Ukraine on Fire" :

 

[jabloomf1230]

The 2016 documentary "Ukraine on Fire" :

Kremlin-friendly polemic. Standard fare for OS.

 

[DanCar]

... OS.

OS I presume for Oliver Stone.
I did find the documentary surprising so pro Russian. Didn't know Oliver Stone has such leanings. Very informative anyways. Previously had no idea where the Ukraine Nazi idea came from.

 

[DanCar]

Repubs ask Biden to do more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/10/senators-ukraine-aircraft/
Quote: More than 40 Republican U.S. senators on Thursday called for President Biden to aid “the transfer of aircraft and air defense systems” to Ukraine after officials quashed Poland’s offer to send fighter jets with American help.
/quote
I wouldn't be surprised if Biden actually likes the plane deal but prefers it be done in secret fashion.

 

[Terminator857]

A bit of humor:

Natasha thanks us for the sanctions on unhealthy products to improve health and get rid of flab.

 

[Terminator857]

Russia hints that is planning on targeting the help being sent to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1502667894764752899

Quote:
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov has said that Russia has warned the U.S. it could target Western shipments of military equipment to Ukraine as those actions make those convoys legitimate targets.

 

[qdeathstar]

Be afraid of Putin now, be afraid of a Xi later.

 

[Terminator857]

Klitschko brothers being interviewed. Provokes strong desires in me to help.