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Poll: Are you in favor or against U.S. doing more in Ukraine?
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diplomat33
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If Putin was hoping to prevent NATO expansion, Russia's war in Ukraine seems to be having the opposite effect. Finland wants to join NATO as soon as possible:
apnews.com
Finland's leaders call for NATO membership 'without delay'
Finland’s leaders say they’re in favor of applying for NATO membership “without delay.” The annoucement by President Sauli Niinisto and Prime Minister Sanna Marin on Thursday means that Finland is all but certain to join the Western military alliance.
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diplomat33
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So who thinks Finland and Sweden joining NATO could start WW3? I mean, a big reason Russia has invaded Ukraine was to stop Ukraine from joining NATO. Putin saw the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO as completely unacceptable. Finland has 800 miles of border with Russia. If Ukraine joining NATO was a red line then surely Finland joining NATO is also a red line. And Russia is already issuing threats if Finland joins NATO. I fear that if Finland joins NATO, Putin will feel he has nothing to lose and will strike first rather than wait for NATO to get even stronger.
Having said that, I completely understand why Finland wants to join NATO. I think the lesson they are learning from the war in Ukraine is that if you are not part of NATO, you are vulnerable to Russia attacking you. If Ukraine had been part of NATO, Russia never would have invaded. So Finland sees joining NATO now as their best defense against Russian aggression. They are not wrong.
Having said that, I completely understand why Finland wants to join NATO. I think the lesson they are learning from the war in Ukraine is that if you are not part of NATO, you are vulnerable to Russia attacking you. If Ukraine had been part of NATO, Russia never would have invaded. So Finland sees joining NATO now as their best defense against Russian aggression. They are not wrong.
My 2 cents: Russia is so weak now they can't do anything about Finland joining NATO.
I don't think Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine was to stop Ukraine from joining NATO. Putin is a Hitleresque madman who wants to annex Russia's neighbors to increase his own power. Allowing countries to join NATO (assuming NATO respects its own commitments to protect its members) is the only way to stop Putin's illegal invasions.
Whether Putin would use nuclear weapons, destroying his own country along with the world, is a separate question I cannot answer because I don't know the degree of his insanity. But I don't think we should let our fear of Russia's presumed threat to use nukes make us capitulate to the madman and allow him to annex neighbors one by one.
Should we let Russia invade and annex Finland because we're afraid Putin might use nukes? I'm pretty sure he could not succeed in annexing Finland without nuking it to ash. But should be let him have Ukraine now, and then invade Finland because we're afraid of Russia's nukes?
I think the best move is to allow any country that feels threatened by Russia to join NATO, in order to deter Putin from invading them.
Putin is a madman and a sociopath. If he's willing to use nukes, then he will use them eventually because once he's annexed all the non-NATO countries of Europe he'll start demanding the NATO countries.
No appeasement! Stop Putin NOW! Admit Ukraine to NATO and admit Finland if Finland decides to ask for membership.
Putin receives best NATO recruiter of the year award.
NATO should eject Turkey.
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Erdogan says Turkey not supportive of Finland, Sweden joining NATO
President Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday it was not possible for NATO-member Turkey to support plans by Sweden and Finland to join the pact given that the Nordic countries were "home to many terrorist organisations".
www.reuters.com
Turkey's leader opposes letting Finland, Sweden join NATO
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says his country is “not favorable” toward Finland and Sweden joining NATO.
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Ukraine says it may increase the size of its military by a million people. I suspect that the $40 billion U.S. aid package may help pay for training, equipment and salaries.
I'm hoping Trump's lack of enthusiastic Ukraine support ixnixes his return.
One Kentucky senator shows support for Ukraine, while the other delays funding.
Message from NATO Deputy Secretary General: Freedom is not a job for Ukraine, it is a job for us all.
30 second Freedom clip from NATO:
30 second Freedom clip from NATO:
We should be straightening things out in Syria while Russia is busy in Ukraine.
Seen several reports that Ukraine is amassing troops near Kherson and will strike when ready.
Also saw reports a couple weeks ago that Russia was amassing troops and was going to make a push.
Also saw reports a couple weeks ago that Russia was amassing troops and was going to make a push.
Russia does have very long range artillery too. As well as some laser guided artillery.
Russian Army to Begin Testing Longest Range Howitzer
The Russian army will begin testing its longest-range self-propelled "Coalition-SV" artillery gun next year.
www.thedefensepost.com
An interesting read from a few years ago.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-army’s-artillery-outmatched-russia’s-big-guns-107526
The best thing thing we have helped Ukraine with is counter battery radar. Typically you want to shoot and scoot before the counter battery radar can determine your location. Problem is field towed pieces are slower to move locations than self propelled platforms like the ones Germany is donating. They are sending Panzerhaubitze 2000 which are self propelled and depending on rounds can shoot 20-40 miles. Don't know what Germany is sending yet.
Bottom line is while Ukraine has fought back, they have still lost a lot of ground. Before the war, Russia basically controlled about 7% of Ukraine. Last I saw that number is double (up to 14%) since the war has started. So maybe Russia didn't take Kyiv and Kharkiv, but the do have Kherson, Mariupol and a land bridge pretty much all the way to Crimea already. They have shut down the port of Odesa and control the Black Sea.
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Ukraine wins Eurovision, Putin wins RussiaVision with 146% of the vote.
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