Imagine each car charged to maximum, and then taken on a highway trip at 70 mph the entire time. Wind is minimal and the day is fair. Which car goes further, in relative terms ?
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I feel like everyone is making a big deal about the range where it really doesn't matter much once you pass 200+ miles. As all Tesla owners know you wake up each morning to a near full charge so if the range is 200, 250 or 300 it doesn't really matter unless you go on a road trip. So the real question is how does the car perform at the fast charger and do they exist.
Furthermore, I will they would stop comparing all electric cars to each other. A Leaf and a Model S have as much in common as a Ford Focus and a Mercedes S class.
You got a point here, but you misses a bit...I feel like everyone is making a big deal about the range where it really doesn't matter much once you pass 200+ miles.
It may be, but none of this cars is been compared here. It the Bolt and Model 3, and just how much or little they have in common is the topic. You may well come with arguments that this two cars should not be compared, but that argument you gave is no argument in this topic.A Leaf and a Model S have as much in common as a Ford Focus and a Mercedes S class.
But as the range goes up from 200 miles, I get more buffers = less strain on the battery = longer battery life.
Now you are talking about the buffers that the manufacturers have put there. In your example car A gets a 100% battery range of 263 miles and car B gets a 100% battery range of 250 miles, so all else being equal, car A seems to be the better choice - with only this manufacturer installed buffers (but I do not know if this buffers are at the top and/or the bottom? Yes, that matters).Maybe. Let's say car A gets a range of 250 miles on 95% of the battery, and car B gets a range of 225 miles on 90% of the battery. Range =/= Buffer.
Your kindly welcome - I think, maybe? Hmmm...Thank you kindly.
Yup, those two drag cd are correct. M3 is a lot better in aero.Bolt has 0.32cd ratio?and a M3 is expected to have 0.21?
at those speeds the drag coefficient will mean alot, so I would expect the M3 to be far superior.
A moot point for you. The Superchargers I use are 147 miles apart, with a NET altitude change of 700 ft (probably a few thousand total cause of all the ups and down; I don't know how to get the total with an online tool), and a speed limit of 80mph for 100% of the distance between them. In an X 90D, I can't make it in 95° weather (so lots of A/C), starting at a ~90% charge (and no, I'm not waiting the additional 30-45 minutes to get to 100%), while still keeping up with other traffic at 85mph. I have to slow down to low 70s at best, and draft behind semis. Heaven help if I ever had to pull a trailer on this route. I'd probably be stuck going 40mph. So, both battery size and drag coefficient is very very important to me. I tire of the thinking that "my situation works just fine, so please don't bother designing or even talking about a bigger battery or better aerodynamics". Good for your situation. Tesla's goal is to make EVs practical for a much larger range of situations so that more ICEs can be replaced.If I want to travel long distance, the superchargers I use are way less than 200 miles apart from each other. It is a moot point really.
Combined MPGe is 119. The 123 was a typo that has been fixed.In case anyone cares at all, I have been checking periodically since these announcements began and the official numbers are now in and on the EPA's website... As of 10:26 am PDT, September 19, 2016:
Compare Side-by-Side: Chevrolet BOLT, Fiat 500e, Ford Fusion Energi Plug-in Hybrid, Chevrolet VOLT
2017 Chevrolet BOLT
123 Combined MPGe
128 City MPGe
110 Highway MPGe
270 kWh per 100 miles
246 Miles Total Range
Impressive. What say ye?
The 'typo' was mine. My bad. I didn't realize my browser had saved some 'Personalize' settings I was playing around with before... I set the form back to its defaults, and this is the result instead:Combined MPGe is 119. The 123 was a typo that has been fixed.
I hope you are right, but I came up with 13.5 kW for air plus road resistance.The M3 should take about 12kW of delivered mechanical power to maintain 70 mph. I suspect its base pack will have somewhere around 52 kWh of usable energy, so at 85 percent efficiency, it should go somewhere around 250 miles at 70. The Bolt requires about 17 kW at 70, so with 58 kWh of usable energy, it should go about 200 miles at the same efficiency. The difference gets considerably worse as you go faster. At 80, the Bolt requires about 25kW, while the M3 requires only what the Bolt required at 70: 17kW. The M3 goes about 210 miles at 80 mph, while the Bolt can range only 160 miles.
It does make you think what the 70 mph highway range of the M3 with the largest optional pack will be. I'd bet around 325 miles.