Hey....where is the FSD solid line in the picture to show that FSD is on?
I heard that the 2 lane markers change into a single line when activated. Is that true?
If you have two cars both with HW 2.5, one with EAP, one with FSD. Both will behave the same and have the same functionality.I heard from a birdee that FSD does something with lane changing.
Can someone go out and try to have EAP lane change and let us know if that works?
If you have two cars both with HW 2.5, one with EAP, one with FSD. Both will behave the same and have the same functionality.
I’ll give you divergence in that a HW3 car with FSD will get back out of the passing lane after overtaking. But how do we know a HW3 car with EAP wouldn’t do the same?
Perhaps this bug isn’t so much a bug as it is intentional decontenting of EAP. Which looks worse?
That would be NoAP. A feature present on EAP and not exclusive to FSD.
Good afternoon everyone,
After 10 months with EAP, I have mixed feelings on the whole thing. I think autopilot is fantastic, and use it every day.
But I find NOA to be an extremely frustrating experience because of how it manages the lane I'm in. It wants to change lanes whenever the car in front of me is going 2 MPH slower, at which point it cuts off the guy next to me, and stays parked in front of him for the next couple miles until it decides to move over. Taking exit ramps automatically is nice, but overall I don't find NOA to be helpful, which adds no value to me.
I was really excited for Enhanced Summon to be released. But after awkwardly blocking parking lots a couple times, I realized in current form it's not useful for anything other than a mostly empty parking lot. I would much rather it be cautious than risk hitting things, but if it has to be THIS cautious to be safe, I don't find it useful.
At this point, FSD isn't yet available, but after seeing how NOA and enhanced summon have been implemented, I have a tough time being optimistic. If are making another purchase today, I would opt for the standard autopilot and nothing more. I'm curious to know what you guys think? Is it worth forking over the money with the expectation that these features and FSD will evolve and be great? Or do you think it's unlikely they will add $7000 in value to your driving experience?
I’ll post the chart again:
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Note that until the last three columns, EAP and FSD have exactly the same feature sets. The last two features are unrealized (at least to paying customers) — I’ll give you stop sign and traffic light recognition but only partially since it doesn’t actually do anything with that data except display it.
While the features of EAP+FSD and AP+FSD are the same, I believe the language about availability of those features changed significantly. I remember EAP+FSD having something about being able to automatically drive somewhere with no input from the driver most of the time, and AP+FSD dropped that language.
I guess maybe that’s why your car does 0-60 in 2.7s too.
Yeah ... can't see how anyone would possible say that. Picked up my 3 in 12/18 and sure most updates are small and incremental and near insignificant like in any software application, but there have also been major and substantial upgrades that were incredibly valuable to me. In particular, v10.0 brought huge improvements to EAP/NOA (see other thread). Less important, but as an avid music lover and spotify subscriber I was very pleased to see that come native to onscreen experience. On multiple occasions while waiting for wife in various excursions I have been very happy to be able to watch and listen to YouTube videos in the newly released Tesla theater. All those features came via OTA update -- and I never paid a dime for them. OTA updates are a major value add and a huge advantage over competition in my opinion.Not sure I care so much about OTA updates...
Seriously? Not only are you misquoting me, but then you're using that to rant about level 5 autonomy, which I said nothing about.EAP and FSD NEVER said that if you purchased the package that IT WOULD drive somewhere with no input from the driver. NEVER.
That's autonomy level 5. Tesla NEVER said that.
I am fully aware that level 5 autonomy is a goal of Tesla and that they are looking to do it in the future, but nothing was ever SOLD as level 5 autonomy.
Tesla said:The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat.
That is absolutely correct -- that's how it works and I'm on HW2.5 with EAP in a 3. Ironically, I use EAP with NOA *a lot* on long drives, and it was the wife who was on EAP without NOA who discovered this. I woke up as she was changing lanes and went "hey... I didn't know that!"Wait, I have AP1 and have always been able to change lanes without disabling autopilot. I just signal and as long as the next lane is clear, the car takes care of it. Are you guy talking about something else?