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Personal Preference I would say. If you find it uncomfortable, and you jerk the wheel to follow the proper street, then yes, mark it as a disengagement. But if you don't mind car taking a detour and taking slow path to your destination, then you don't have to mark as a disengagement.Is turning at the wrong place, e.g., into a parking lot or wrong street, considered "uncomfortable?" FSD Beta can still be driving safely but not immediately making progress to the destination.
Yea I think it depends a ton on where and what time of day you're driving. In Burbs with mixed city/highway, i've done 20-30 miles without disengagement. But all city streets in burbs, maybe 1 for every 5-10 miles, and i'm sure if I went up to SF, it would be unusable haha.In the city it is at least 1 per mile unless I pick an easy route with minimal construction, congestion and edge cases. If I go out to the burbs I can improve that probably close to 10x.
What about pressing the accelerator because the car insists on creeping through a perfectly clear intersection and you have a driver on your tail behind you? At a minimum this is uncomfortable driving, but in some cases I think it is dangerous and need to press the accelerator to get the car to actually get going.But, do not include interventions like pressing the accelerator or changing speed limit.
Same experience in the Philadelphia area.In the city it is at least 1 per mile unless I pick an easy route with minimal construction, congestion and edge cases. If I go out to the burbs I can improve that probably close to 10x.
Company | 2020 Miles Driven | 2020 Disengagements | 2020 Miles/Disengagement | 2019 Miles/Disengagement |
---|---|---|---|---|
Waymo | 628,839 | 21 | 29,944.69 | 13219.43 |
Cruise | 770,049 | 27 | 28,520.34 | 12221.17 |
AutoX | 40,734 | 2 | 20,367.00 | 10684.67 |
Pony.ai | 225,496 | 21 | 10,737.90 | 6475.75 |
Argo AI | 21,037 | 2 | 10,518.59 | N/A |
WeRide | 13,014 | 2 | 6,507.00 | 151.72 |
DiDi | 10,401 | 2 | 5,200.75 | N/A |
Nuro | 55,370 | 11 | 5,033.62 | 2022.41 |
DeepRoute | 10,018 | 3 | 3,339.33 | N/A |
Zoox | 102,521 | 63 | 1,627.32 | 1595.6 |
Poor comparison. We are not talking about carefully selected few miles of roads with Lidar & HD maps etc. They don't have the technology to scale to the size Tesla is aiming for. Basically a different market.For comparison, here is the disengagement rate of the top 10 companies in California.
Same for me. You learn quickly where it works and where it doesn't. For example, when pulling out of my neighborhood, it thinks the shoulder is a lane. Because of this, I never engage until later in my drive. When a new FSD version is released, I do a couple of tests in the problem areas to see if they have improved or not but other than that, I'm careful about where I use it.I use the beta as much as possible but never in certain situations, like when my wife is in the car. I am still cautious with trusting it to get in the turn lanes soon enough. Left turns better with 10.9, so is phantom braking.
There are fair number of FSD Beta testers driving the same roads in San Francisco as Waymo and Cruise are. Surely they will select the "over 100 miles" choice on your poll?Poor comparison. We are not talking about carefully selected few miles of roads with Lidar & HD maps etc. They don't have the technology to scale to the size Tesla is aiming for. Basically a different market.
Let me know if you have any comparison to a company that has an ODD of all mapped roads in US.
What kind of disengagements are these? For the school zone, is it because an intervention of lowering the set speed doesn't slow the car down fast enough? And the roundabout is that it doesn't correctly yield (requiring brake) or that it needs accelerator intervention to move smoothly through?That involves 2 disengagements minimum because of school zone and one unmapped roundabout
Same for me. You learn quickly where it works and where it doesn't. For example, when pulling out of my neighborhood, it thinks the shoulder is a lane. Because of this, I never engage until later in my drive. When a new FSD version is released, I do a couple of tests in the problem areas to see if they have improved or not but other than that, I'm careful about where I use it.
But Tesla is not geohacked to SF like those others.There are fair number of FSD Beta testers driving the same roads in San Francisco as Waymo and Cruise are. Surely they will select the "over 100 miles" choice on your poll?
What kind of disengagements are these? For the school zone, is it because an intervention of lowering the set speed doesn't slow the car down fast enough? And the roundabout is that it doesn't correctly yield (requiring brake) or that it needs accelerator intervention to move smoothly through?