In fact Model S/X in EU has 3x24A 17kW charger. There is a video here showing how the module looks like, where it is located in Model S. He even disassembles it and explains how it works. I recently had many conversions about this with different people and one person told me that most probably Model 3 is just SW limited version of what is in Model S. It makes a lot of sense considering how much is Tesla pushing for streamlining/simplifying production. So it means Model 3 OTA upgrade unlocking 17kW should be possible.
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Poll: Would you like Tesla to add a 22kW AC Charger option?
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That's good to know. The 72 amp charger (3x24) was removed from North American S/X a couple of years ago. I just checked Tesla's site for both the UK and Ireland and you are correct that S/X support 16.5 kW charging. I updated my previous post.
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SageBrush
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Not dedicated, but the large majority of forum members are in N. America
The forum does have sub-sections, I think by country, that would be a more targeted audience for you.
The technical problem you are running up against is that Tesla has standardized on 2 or 3 16 Amp chargers in a package.
Your desire amounts to doubling the number of chargers in the car.
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I don't know if still true, but the Renault Zoe did not have an on-board charger; It used its inverter. That came with trade-offs but it was a very clever way to keep the Zoe cheap and utilize France's 400 volt, 32 Amp, 3 phase infrastructure.
Everyone's use case is different, certainly, but I find being able to charge the car overnight while it's parked is all that is necessary for the car to be able to do itself. I consider "overnight" to be at least 8 hours. At home that's definitely a realistic parked time and even on the road staying at a hotel it's very plausible. At 11kW that's going to be more than 85kWh which I think would be considered "full" for more than 90% of the EVs currently being produced.
I think it's hard to justify the expense of more than 11kW.
I think it's hard to justify the expense of more than 11kW.
SageBrush
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The video you watched is from a 2018 Model S. It does not apply to Model 3 or Model Y, and IIRC it doesn't even apply to the Model S or Model X anymore.
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This is what I mentioned that it is from Model S. Not sure what you mean by IIRC.
SageBrush
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IIRC -- If I recall correctly
This website talks about 16.5 kW AC charging in the Model S in the European version, I think for the 2019 model year.
If that year and model was using 24 Amp chargers, the arithmetic** works out to 400*24*sqrt(3) = 16.6 kW for 3 phase.
For the models that now use 16 Amp chargers (Model 3 and Model Y for sure, perhaps the Model S and X now too), the arithmetic is
400*16*sqrt(3) = 11.1 kW
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The point to this arithmetic is that I think Tesla has standardized its chargers to 16 Amps for use across all its models and everywhere in the world. But if I am wrong and 24 Amp chargers are still in the Model S and Model X, you have your solution.
** Maybe. My understanding of electricity is poor
This website talks about 16.5 kW AC charging in the Model S in the European version, I think for the 2019 model year.
If that year and model was using 24 Amp chargers, the arithmetic** works out to 400*24*sqrt(3) = 16.6 kW for 3 phase.
For the models that now use 16 Amp chargers (Model 3 and Model Y for sure, perhaps the Model S and X now too), the arithmetic is
400*16*sqrt(3) = 11.1 kW
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The point to this arithmetic is that I think Tesla has standardized its chargers to 16 Amps for use across all its models and everywhere in the world. But if I am wrong and 24 Amp chargers are still in the Model S and Model X, you have your solution.
** Maybe. My understanding of electricity is poor
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I don't know the European ones very well, but I'm pretty sure that is not right for the North American ones. Both versions are using the 16A sub-modules: either two of them or three of them. That is why we somewhat frequently see people's charging drop from 48A to a max of 32A if one of them dies, because one of the three 16A parts has stopped working, and it is still functioning with the remaining two.
You are right. I had a brain fart and forgot it was 2x24A (not 1x48A) for US and thought incorrectly it would be 3x48A for Europe.
Chuq
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From an Australian point of view - in the rural/remote parts of the country, DC fast charging is non-existent, let alone supercharging.
However, 3-phase sockets (capable of supplying 22 kW) are quite common (they weren't initially, but the Australian Electric Vehicle Association and Tesla Owners Club of Australia fixed that!)
Most of the vehicles that have done this have been Model S/X with 17-22 kW AC charging, which were able to charge fully in about 4 hours. I think 22 kW AC charging capability would be vital for vehicles which are likely to travel in these areas - such as the Cybertruck, Rivian R1T, and so on.
Of course Australia is a small market so I wouldn't expect them to offer 22 kW AC based solely on this, but it'd be nice!
However, 3-phase sockets (capable of supplying 22 kW) are quite common (they weren't initially, but the Australian Electric Vehicle Association and Tesla Owners Club of Australia fixed that!)
Most of the vehicles that have done this have been Model S/X with 17-22 kW AC charging, which were able to charge fully in about 4 hours. I think 22 kW AC charging capability would be vital for vehicles which are likely to travel in these areas - such as the Cybertruck, Rivian R1T, and so on.
Of course Australia is a small market so I wouldn't expect them to offer 22 kW AC based solely on this, but it'd be nice!
The Cybertruck is NOT getting a 200+ kWh battery. This is not the Hummer EV.
SageBrush
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Yeah, ok bud. Got any claims that back this up? How efficient is this truck if you're so sure.
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