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Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by Swift, Oct 7, 2017.
Porsche’s Mission E caught testing alongside Tesla vehicles
And the sad thing is, some people will be surprised and disappointed by this - and then further disillusioned when the final stats are given out. Then slowly, one by one, they'll give up on the concept of this being the "Tesla killer" and glom on to some other concept as being the car that will finally destroy Tesla, without ever understanding the faulty thinking that underlies it all.
Wow that looks NOTHING like the concept. Maybe its not the E and an electric Panamera instead?
You can't say I didn't tell people this was going to happen. This always happens. Make some flashy concept to attract attention, then face reality when it comes time for production. The "fancy concept" generally has some combination of way too high drag, too high production costs, insufficient interior space, impossible to meet crash standards, impossible to meet other vehicle regulations, impractical wiring harness layouts, and about a hundred other things. It's just designed to "look good", not be something that can be marketed at a reasonable price point and actually function well.
There are very few companies that don't do this. Tesla being one of them, to a large extent (e.g. Model X actually ended up looking better than its concept). And even Tesla can be accused of doing it with autopilot, if not with the cars themselves
The funny thing is, it's a lack of understanding of these sort of things that drives the short sellers, on the mistaken belief that Tesla has serious competitors "just around the corner". The other big wool-over-the-eyes thing is subsidized cars, where they actually make a car with good stats for a reasonable price, but without any practical way to make a profit on it, so they only release it in select markets and at select dealerships, to draw attention and meet ZEV standards without losing too much money.
Some of us original 986 Boxster fans went through this between concept and reality.
It does look nice to me, better than the Panamera actually. The concept didn’t have a chance to make it intact to production obviously.
The stats will be interesting when they come out. No P100D killer, I’d guess.
It's pretty obvious, it's a test mule using a sligtly modified Panamera body to test the powertrain. IMO.
Exactly, even kept the square exhaust chrome output!
Yes, Elon has commented many times about how Tesla doesn't make "concept" cars and that whatever Tesla puts into production it will always be better than the first prototype version that is shown publicly. Elon hates flashy silly "concept" cars.
It's going to be a year or two before we know what the production Mission E will look like. In the meantime, Tesla will continue to improve and innovate. In trying to catch up to Tesla, the other automakers are aiming at a moving target.
Maybe Tesla should have given more thoughts to the falcon wing doors on the X.
Hoping this is true.
Similar spy shots are in German Auto magazines as well. All the corresponding articles state exactly that, that this is a powertrain and tech testbed, using a modified Panamera body that has no relevance for the final product. Car companies over here often do that to throw off the casual onlookers as well as professional spy shots. I remember when the e-Golf was tested, it was tested using Golf Mark V and Mark VI bodies, even though the e-Golf was a Mark VII Golf variant.
Then again I fully expect the production Mission-e to be quite a bit "toned-down" in comparison to the concept. All carmakers do that. Even Tesla. Look at the Model S concept (especially the interior) versus the final product.
In my opinion the production S interior was superior to the prototype interior.
Tesla production cars have so far been better than their initial prototype vehicles. Tesla does not do "concept" cars. Elon has stated repeatedly that he thinks the automotive industry practice of building over-hyped concept cars that never make it into production is silly and deceptive and he won't do it.
Pretty sure this is not a Panamera body but the actual production Mission E design. Just look at the concept car. That was nothing near a production design. It had no hood, no trunk, weirdly hinged full sized suicide doors, incomplete lighting. A flashy show car, nothing else.
Yes, the usual automotive industry "concept" vehicle. Meant to attract attention by appearing to have flashy features that will never go into production.
We will see...
To me this prototype looks exactly like a Panamera body, except in those areas where they have stuck on the usual extra camo plastic bits and bobs on purpose to make it look a bit different.
We will see.
I'm not so sure that's just a Panamera with camo panels...
It is weird because that camouflaged car just looks a lot like a Panamera. But if they used a Panamera body as a disguise why would they change so many details like creases in door panels? Doesn't make sense either.
They're testing bits and pieces on the old car to see if they work or perform as expected.