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As we can see now, the cars that were shown at the Model 3 reveal were 90% production models. Tesla already knew exactly what they were going to produce when they quoted the price at that time. Right now, the Mission E is nothing more than a concept car with a supposed production date 2+ years in the future. Pricing is still pure speculation at this point.
Apparently the mission E is much more than a concept as your probably know by now. They are already testing it on the road.
 
Porsche Mission E Nurburgring Spy Photos photo

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SC network might actually be the Porsche‘s plus point. VW is building a big one and Porsche has those 350 kW charging capabilities, which I find the most interesting about that car.

I guess we’ll see in 2019 how good it is.

BMW Group, Daimler AG, Ford Motor Company and the Volkswagen Group with Audi and Porsche just announced a joint venture to build a pan-european High Power Charging (350 kwh) network:

http://www.ionity.eu/assets/20171103-press-release.pdf

Launching approximately 400 HPC stations by 2020, IONITY will make long-distance journeys easier and marks an important step for electric vehicles.

A total of 20 stations will be opened to the public this year [2017], located on major roads in Germany, Norway and Austria, at intervals of 120 km, through partnerships with “Tank & Rast”, “Circle K” and “OMV”. Through 2018, the network will expand to more than 100 stations, each one enabling multiple customers, driving different manufacturer cars, to charge their vehicles simultaneously.

With a capacity of up to 350 kW per charging point, the network will use the European charging standard Combined Charging System to significantly reduce charging times compared to existing systems. The brand-agnostic approach and Europe-wide distribution is expected to help make electrified vehicles more appealing.

It looks like the charging cables will be water-cooled. Here is how a water-cooled CCS charger plug with max. 1000 V DC / 500 A looks like:

https://www.phoenixcontact.com/asse...romotion/52007525_DE_INT_E-Mobility_LoRes.pdf
 
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BMW Group, Daimler AG, Ford Motor Company and the Volkswagen Group with Audi and Porsche just announced a joint venture to build a pan-european High Power Charging (350 kwh) network:

http://www.ionity.eu/assets/20171103-press-release.pdf



It looks like the charging cables will be water-cooled. Here is how a water-cooled CCS charger plug with max. 1000 V DC / 500 A looks like:

https://www.phoenixcontact.com/asse...romotion/52007525_DE_INT_E-Mobility_LoRes.pdf

I've read that story, too. Let's see what that means for Mercedes, BMW and Ford. VW building 350 kW chargers is a no brainer, they need those for the Mission E to really sell, but AFAIK neither Ford, BMW, or Mercedes have announced 800V charging.

But great to see that something is happening.
 
They tried ... and could not kill SAAB :cool: Love the translation below...

SAAB 9-3 car goes back into production as NEVS’ first all-electric car

They only released the following bullet points:
  • ACAC (Always Clean Air Cabin) – Filter efficiency up to 99%, reducing 500ppm to 25ppm in less than 30 seconds.
  • Always a new feeling
  • Over-the-air software updates
  • Fantastic driving and riding experience – Low center of gravity with smart suspension geometry and tuning. Based on 70 years of engineering excellence

More like “Always a feeling of driving in a car released in 1999”
 
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Im wondering if it will actually look like the concept. I was quoted 135 to 160 here in van. Don't know why they are saying it starts at 80 American. 3000 deposit refundable as long as the car has not been built for you. Langley Porsche.
 
OK now Porsche is saying that it is a competitor to the Model S and will start at $75k. In 2020. Dream Day: 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS and 2020 Porsche Mission E | Automobile Magazine

Curious on how that will compare to the starting prices of the 2017 lineup

Porsche Panamera - $85,000, 0-60 in 5.4sec
Porsche Panamera 4 - $89,600, 0-60 in 5.2sec
Porsche Panamera 4s - $103,000 0-60 in 4.2sec

And, of course the Model S

Tesla Model S 75D - $74,500, 0-60 in 4.2sec

Hmmmm, Stuttgart I believe we have a problem.
 
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OK now Porsche is saying that it is a competitor to the Model S and will start at $75k. In 2020. Dream Day: 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS and 2020 Porsche Mission E | Automobile Magazine

Curious on how that will compare to the starting prices of the 2017 lineup

Porsche Panamera - $85,000, 0-60 in 5.4sec
Porsche Panamera 4 - $89,600, 0-60 in 5.2sec
Porsche Panamera 4s - $103,000 0-60 in 4.2sec

And, of course the Model S

Tesla Model S 75D - $74,500, 0-60 in 4.2sec

Hmmmm, Stuttgart I believe we have a problem.

What you guys don't get is, German's aren't enamored with 0-60. They know the numbers but it's not THE number for them.
Whereas, on this forum, 0-60 is all anyone seems to care about... because the MS does well in this category.
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