Porsche Taycan Vs Tesla Model S: Review, Road Test, Race, Charging

[Daniel in SD]

Yes, Motortrend did 2.53 seconds without rollout.

Motortrend tests at the Autoclub Speedway dragstrip so I suspect that time was done on a prepped surface. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motortrend.com/news/motor-trend-testing/amp/)
It seems like people want to compare the very best times of the Model S with a single test by a TV show with unknown test procedures.

 

[bhzmark]

Motortrend tests at the Autoclub Speedway dragstrip so I suspect that time was done on a prepped surface. (Testing, Testing - The Motor Trend Way - Motor Trend - Motor Trend)
It seems like people want to compare the very best times of the Model S with a single test by a TV show with unknown test procedures.

It seems like people want to compare the best times available of the Model S with the best times available of the Taycan.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

It seems like people want to compare the best times available of the Model S with the best times available of the Taycan.

Seems like a solid strategy. Which lacks a decent sample size, for both vehicles!

 

[Racerx22b]

Completed the test. Road didn't "feel" as sticky today and had a tad bit of spin on the launch. Car was at 100% SOC, full geeked out easter egg ludicrous mode, and launch mode used. I did 2 passes which were about the same.

Interesting to see that the peak power only was up 3kW from the run prior to the power update. However, the peak power at the front and rear motors changed quite a bit. Rear motor power went from 375-> 355 and front motor went from 176 -> 188.

Times were about the same overall.

 

[bhzmark]

hmm. with those good conditions I would have thought that you would have improved on my 2.70 0-60 which didn't have full warp mode easter egg and fully heated battery, and was uphill (.76%), and was before the update.

While your 1/4 was faster than my 1/4, your 60ft time was a bit slower, so maybe you were slipping (with resultant power cut) a little at the start. Do you happen to have a teslalog to show the power curve?

 

[Racerx22b]

hmm. with those good conditions I would have thought that you would have improved on my 2.70 0-60 which didn't have full warp mode easter egg and fully heated battery, and was uphill (.76%), and was before the update.

While your 1/4 was faster than my 1/4, your 60ft time was a bit slower, so maybe you were slipping (with resultant power cut) a little at the start. Do you happen to have a teslalog to show the power curve?

No teslalog. There was a bit of spin so that might be the issue.

 

[bhzmark]

And now some good data on Porsche and compared with recent Raven on the street (on dragstrip with better traction is a little faster).

Still not perfect as Porsche was disadvantaged with a low 50% SOC (although they claim it doesn't matter, it likely does) and second passenger at abt 150 lbs. but the best data so far. Thank you @fiksegts for doing God's work.

 

[Racerx22b]

I am hoping to race the Taycan at the upcoming track rental. Fingers crossed they show up.

 

[Uncle Paul]

Guess the results are that both are blindingly fast. Only difference effectively for most owners would be bragging rights.

Imagine most buyers will select due to Brand, price and driving experience. Performance differences will rarely be relevant to most owners.

 

[Racerx22b]

Guess the results are that both are blindingly fast. Only difference effectively for most owners would be bragging rights.

Imagine most buyers will select due to Brand, price and driving experience. Performance differences will rarely be relevant to most owners.

Or on charging convenience and/or pricing?

 

[Uncle Paul]

That's why I mentioned price. Gonna cost lots more to charge a Taycan at their chargers than a Tesla at Superchargers. Taycan quotes higher potential charging speeds, but few places are available to do so.

Consider ease and availability of charging to total driving experience.

 

[wws]

Not sure anyone paying $140k-250k MSRP (*) for a car will worry about an occasional few bucks difference in charging costs.

(*) I know the Taycan 4S starts at $104K MSRP. But by the time one adds 'required options' and stuff that makes it at least usable, I figure my minimum build would be $140k.

 

[Eno Deb]

Or on charging convenience and/or pricing?

$21 for 20 minutes means that they used EA's non-subscription pricing ($.99/minute + $1 session charge). If they had used the "pass+" plan ($.70/minute, no session charge), it would have been only about $14, or roughly $.30/kWh, which is less than many superchargers. The $4 subscription fee would have more than paid for itself just with this single charging session.

 

[JohnSnowNW]

$21 for 20 minutes means that they used EA's non-subscription pricing ($.99/minute + $1 session charge). If they had used the "pass+" plan ($.70/minute, no session charge), it would have been only about $14, or roughly $.30/kWh, which is less than many superchargers. The $4 subscription fee would have more than paid for itself just with this single charging session.

It would also still be more expensive than many Superchargers...

 

[Eno Deb]

It would also still be more expensive than many Superchargers...

Not in my neck of the woods. Most superchargers here are $.31/kWh or more. BTW, in the example above the Taycan was apparently using a 150kW charger (46 kWh/(1/3h) = 140kW). At its peak charge rate of 270kW (using an EA 350kW charger), the price per kWh would almost drop in half. EAs pricing scheme favors cars that can charge fast like the Taycan.

 

[Uncle Paul]

Problem is that there are very few high speed chargers for Taycan.

 

[Eno Deb]

Problem is that there are very few high speed chargers for Taycan.

There are in fact several hundred locations with 350kW chargers in the US, and growing fast.

 

[JohnSnowNW]

Not in my neck of the woods. Most superchargers here are $.31/kWh or more. BTW, in the example above the Taycan was apparently using a 150kW charger (46 kWh/(1/3h) = 140kW). At its peak charge rate of 270kW (using an EA 350kW charger), the price per kWh would almost drop in half. EAs pricing scheme favors cars that can charge fast like the Taycan.

In mine it's $0.26.

There are in fact several hundred locations with 350kW chargers in the US, and growing fast.

There are ~6k Supercharger plugs in the US...for perspective...with V3 Superchargers "growing fast."

 

[CrayZ1]

Problem is that there are very few high speed chargers for Taycan.

That used to be true, but not anymore. I was one of the earliest testers of the 350kW ABB chargers (1000vdc max). There were only 2? at the time in the US, both in California.

Within a year, there were hundreds of them.

Porsche claims they peak at 270kW @ 800vdc.

 

[Uncle Paul]

But hundreds don't cut it...you need thousands!

Fast charging needs to be about 100 miles apart, and along every major and even minor corridor of travel. Vacation and travel needs require continous access.