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Possibility of getting trapped in the 3rd row

Discussion in 'Model X' started by th14, Sep 30, 2015.

  1. th14

    th14 Member

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    I know the folding 2nd row seat has been discussed ad nauseam but I had a different concern that I have not seen addressed anywhere.

    Is anyone else worried about escape from the 3rd row of seats in the event of an accident? Climbing out the back does not look like a possibility with the height of the seats. Equally, with non removable headrests, climbing over the 2nd row of seats does not look possible.

    It would seem to me the mechanical folding action of most 2nd row seats allows egress from the back row in the event of an emergency. The automatic motion of Model X is great for entry under normal use conditions. But is there an mechanical release mechanism to shove that seat forward if the power is lost or it fails in some other way so the back seat people can get out? For anyone that's ordered their X, can you ask your Tesla contact if there is an emergency release of some kind for that 2nd row?

    I'm not trying to create controversy. For the record, I'm a Model S owner and have a deposit down on an X. I have two kids in car seats and the way the 2nd row slides forward solves my biggest problem with regard to 3rd row SUV seating. It's absolutely awesome. Even though I've really needed a 3rd row of seats, I've skipped buying a 3 row SUV for exactly that reason. I can't access any SUV third row with car seats installed (unless I put the seats in the 3rd row which is a pain for my daily use.

    And yes, I do realize that with car seats installed, people would equally be trapped in the 3rd row of any other SUV (and some minivans). The difference is, they'd never be able to get back there in the first place. Tesla has ingeniously come up with a way for people to access that 3rd row of seats with Child Seats installed. I just want to make sure they've also thought of a way for those people to get out. I guess fold down still doesn't solve the problem for me b/c with a child seat installed, I wouldn't be able to fold the seat anyway.

    But for the rest of you, don't you want a way out if the servo motor moving the seat forward doesn't work?

    At this point, the easiest solution for me is to get the 6 seat config. Then egress is out the middle aisle and that's probably what I'll end up doing.

    But I'm still curious if there's a manual release to move that 2nd row seat forward.
     
  2. Krugerrand

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    There's a very slim chance the X would be on its roof, so either the falcon wing doors and/or the hatch can be opened/pried.
     
  3. sillydriver

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    I suppose those concerned about this should buy the six seat configuration where escape can be through the space between the two second row seats.
     
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    I'd guess they have some sort of manual override. Even without an accident the cases where the power cuts out for some reason happen frequently enough that I would imagine they need some way to move the seats without power.
     
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    Keep a Lifehammer in the car and break the windows just like you would with any cars if you're so concerned.
     
  6. th14

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    Thanks Jaguar36. I probably should have noted even non-emergency situations. Considering even the problems with the retractable handles, there are many instances where there could be a failure to move the seats forward automatically. Power failure on the whole vehicle, button failure from wherever it's activated, motor failure for the motor mechanism.

    As for the other scenarios. I didn't say anything about the vehicle being on its roof. Even upright or on its side, I'm asking how do you get out of the 3rd row if you can't move the 2nd row forward? You can pry the doors open or the hatch, but you still can't get past the non-removable headrest (unless you're under 5) so you're still trapped in that part of the vehicle unless you smash a window.

    Certainly that's what will need to happen in an emergency. If not an emergency (see power failure above), would probably like a solution that doesn't involve breaking a window. I probably should have specified non emergency situations in my original post. My title was mainly meant to address the possibility of being stuck in that 3rd row.

    I did note that I would be getting the 6 seat configuration for these reasons. I would like the 7 seats but don't need them so 6 will do for me. But for anyone that needs 7, something to think about.

    I will hope for a mechanical release.
     
  7. sillydriver

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    My bad - I missed your comment about the six seats
     
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    Agreed. Getting trapped in is a risk in any serious car accident so having a Lifehammer is always a good idea.
     
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    The real disappointment is that in the original reveal this wasn't nearly as much of an issue, in that reveal there was no need to fold the middle row seat forward to get in or out of the back, and that was a huge selling point at the time. Too bad they ignored it now!
     
  10. th14

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    No problem Sillydriver. My original post was excessively longwinded.

    I feel a little better having seen some pics from the event with people sitting in the 3rd row. It looks like the back opens beyond the 3rd row so in a pinch, smaller people could turn around and go up and over the back of the 3rd row and out the back. That headrest may also be removable which may make most of this somewhat moot.

    That said, I think the everyday case scenario is the likely great concern. You pull into the store parking lot, the controls fail, you have passengers stuck in the 3rd row. In my case, my elderly in laws that are not going to be able to climb out the back. The child seats are in the 2nd row b/c I use that every day whereas the inlaws only visit every few months.

    I'm 3 hours from the nearest Tesla service center. Don't think a tow or a locksmith is going to help in this scenario.

    Simple solution is manual release. Hopefully someone can answer that for me.
     
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    Similarly, even a taller person could turn around, fold the rear seat towards them, crawl across the back of it and have plenty of room to escape out the back. The 3rd row headrests do fold forward as they are folded down.

    But, I think there is also room for most people to get out through the corner of the FWD, even if the 2nd row seat were all the way back, using a combination of legs/feet through the seatback-pillar gap and torso through the shoulder-headrest-pillar-open-roof gap.
     
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    Ah, good call. Forgot 3rd row seat folds down. That should be good enough for most people. Might be a little tough with two in the back finding a place to go while folding but in a pinch, that should be good.

    Thank you!
     
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    Please please please let us not get used to writing the acronym for "Front Wheel Drive" to represent the Falcon-Wind Doors. Use FD or something else, but please avoid using FWD!
     
  14. Mark Z

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    After sitting in the back row at the Tesla Motors Model X Launch Event, it may be possible to get partially trapped in the 3rd row without an accident. When the 2nd row seats were being moved back, I had to request that the seats be moved forward so I could avoid having a leg pinched at the corner when the plastic seat back prevented removing the foot and leg from a normal seated position. Ideally, a sensor in the back seat bottoms could indicate occupancy. A limit positioning of the 2nd row seats while 3rd row seats are occupied could retain adequate leg room without pinch points. This is even more critical if children are able to move the seats and trap their siblings or friends who might be sitting in the rear seat. I was not alone, as others mentioned that they heard some yelling to "move the seat forward" as rear seat occupants were pressed by the large plastic seat back. This seems to be an easy software modification if the sensors already exist.
     
  15. Mayhemm

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    This is the single biggest annoyance with our current Lexus hybrid SUV. If the 12V battery dies (which it does if you breathe on it wrong) you cannot do ANYTHING! The seats won't budge, you cannot unlock the doors (only the driver door has a manual lock) and you cannot open the rear hatch, which blocks off the storage bins when closed! No manual released for anything.

    Maybe you should just assume that when you are on a Tesla forum (a company with no front-wheel-drive vehicles) that it stands for Falcon Wing Doors.
     
  16. X-Wing

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    I agree, FD is much better and less confusing.
     
  17. MrBoylan

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    3rd row headrest folds down so it would be possible to get out the back if need be... and you're limber. I suspect my kids will do that anyway, just for fun. :)

    It's a valid question, though. I didn't notice a mechanical seat release for the second row seats on Elon's Model X. Though I think there probably is something in there as a safety feature in case of motor failure or electricity outage. But I am thinking these motors are probably spec'ed and tested to do thousands of operations without failure.
     

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