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Post delivery FSD purchase for Model 3 not available online

GrimRe

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I thought I would create a new thread rather than have it buried in the monster 500+ page Model 3 thread.

Has anyone successfully logged into their Tesla account and purchased FSD after taking delivery of their Model 3?

I have a SR+ in Sydney. Took delivery on the 10th of September. When I log into my Tesla account under the Shop section (where FSD should appear) it does not have anything apart from Tesla Insurance (which is not even relevant).

If everyone else is having the same issues, I will attempt reaching out to Tesla Australia to see what the deal is.
 

m4rtin

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Jun 8, 2019
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I thought I would create a new thread rather than have it buried in the monster 500+ page Model 3 thread.

Has anyone successfully logged into their Tesla account and purchased FSD after taking delivery of their Model 3?

I have a SR+ in Sydney. Took delivery on the 10th of September. When I log into my Tesla account under the Shop section (where FSD should appear) it does not have anything apart from Tesla Insurance (which is not even relevant).

If everyone else is having the same issues, I will attempt reaching out to Tesla Australia to see what the deal is.


Posted in the monster thread (I think) was a comment that it needs to be ordered via service department.

EDIT, found it:

Regarding FSD - Spoke to the delivery specialists prior to picking mine up tomorrow. You'll have to call service and organise it over the phone was their response. Can't buy it on the website or app apparently.
 

m4rtin

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I tried calling to see, very high call volume (of course) so I just sent an email instead.
Will report back and check to see if anyone else had any luck.
 

spidey

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Aug 15, 2019
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This new thread just made me think something... why are people ordering FSD pre-delivery? Comparing pricing with and without FSD on the Tesla website, Luxury Car Tax, and Stamp Duty are charged on FSD - It's just a software license! Ideally those shouldn't apply - but they do!

So if you're buying a LR AWD or Performance model, the FSD license alone adds THOUSANDS of $$ in LCT.

Why not buy it after purchase. I was just reading the LCT section on ATO website and there's nothing there about adding stuff after the vehicle is delivered, LCT appears to apply on the value of the vehicle at the time of delivery or import.

So those people who have ordered FSD pre-delivery would be thousands of $$ better off to cancel their FSD now - and purchase it separately after delivery.

I'm not a lawyer - not an accountant... so don't take my word for it.

But in the spreadsheet I see 24 non SR+ buyers with FSD before delivery selected as yes. Might be worth considering for those people.
 

djayz

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I think for many people they are unaware of the LCT and tax implications of ordering pre delivery. For others they were expecting a US$1k price rise as promised by Elon which would have meant not much price difference post delivery and as the rise was delayed their gamble didn’t pay off. For some others, the convenience of paying upfront and having it from day 1 vs spending time chasing Tesla post delivery when they don’t answer calls and emails was worth a couple of grand.
 
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Bousa

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Aug 30, 2019
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I asked about this before I purchased and was told that they would apply the value of lct that would have been applied at time of purchase to any fsd bought after delivery so that no net benefit to buying later.
The guy claimed they had gotten in trouble from the ATO in the past about this. (I'm guessing on model S or X autopilot or fsd but not based on anything)
It doesn't make sense and could have just been a sales rep trying to up sell pre delivery rather that after.
 

spidey

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I asked about this before I purchased and was told that they would apply the value of lct that would have been applied at time of purchase to any fsd bought after delivery so that no net benefit to buying later.
The guy claimed they had gotten in trouble from the ATO in the past about this. (I'm guessing on model S or X autopilot or fsd but not based on anything)
It doesn't make sense and could have just been a sales rep trying to up sell pre delivery rather that after.

The ATO pages I read said nothing about adding items after delivery. (Can you imagine if ARB and TJM had to charge LCT on anything they add onto newly purchased Landcruisers etc etc - it'd drive them out of business).

HOWEVER Before I actually looked at those pages today, I'd assumed LCT was chargeable for a period after purchase too. (perhaps this is a recent rule change?).
 

spidey

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Any lawyers around???

A New Tax System (Luxury Car Tax) Act 1999

Section 5-20:

Additional supplies and modifications for cars

(3) The *luxury car tax value of a *car includes the *price of all supplies in relation to the car that are made to, or are paid for by, the *recipient of the car, or an *associate of the recipient and that are:

(a) made before the *end supply of the car; or

(b) made under an arrangement made with the supplier of the car, or with an associate of the supplier, at or before the time of the end supply.

(4) If a supply in relation to the *car is made by an *associate of the *recipient of the car and there is no *consideration for the supply or the consideration is less than the *GST inclusive market value of the car, the *price of the supply is the GST inclusive market value of the supply.
 

PJF000

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Any lawyers around???

A New Tax System (Luxury Car Tax) Act 1999

Section 5-20:

Additional supplies and modifications for cars

(3) The *luxury car tax value of a *car includes the *price of all supplies in relation to the car that are made to, or are paid for by, the *recipient of the car, or an *associate of the recipient and that are:

(a) made before the *end supply of the car; or

(b) made under an arrangement made with the supplier of the car, or with an associate of the supplier, at or before the time of the end supply.

(4) If a supply in relation to the *car is made by an *associate of the *recipient of the car and there is no *consideration for the supply or the consideration is less than the *GST inclusive market value of the car, the *price of the supply is the GST inclusive market value of the supply.

It means if any evidence of the purchase of the vehicle (which includes the vehicle and anything else to be included) exists before the completion of payment for all components as evidenced, then GST is payable on all components no matter when paid.
In other words, order and pay for whatever minimally you need, and don't tell anyone of what you think you may want to add on after you get and pay for the car. Just make sure what you want afterwards can be added.
 

stedes

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May 23, 2019
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Any lawyers around???

A New Tax System (Luxury Car Tax) Act 1999

Section 5-20:

Additional supplies and modifications for cars

(3) The *luxury car tax value of a *car includes the *price of all supplies in relation to the car that are made to, or are paid for by, the *recipient of the car, or an *associate of the recipient and that are:

(a) made before the *end supply of the car; or

(b) made under an arrangement made with the supplier of the car, or with an associate of the supplier, at or before the time of the end supply.

(4) If a supply in relation to the *car is made by an *associate of the *recipient of the car and there is no *consideration for the supply or the consideration is less than the *GST inclusive market value of the car, the *price of the supply is the GST inclusive market value of the supply.

Replying mostly to your question in the main Model 3 thread:
Buying it before as I'd rather it's included in the finance of the car. Business use means that by the end of the lease it will cost me about the same as the post delivery price and I get to not spend cash I may not have right now.

On the other question you have regarding the tax legalities - I get what you mean but remember that with other cars as well a lot of "options" are now just software switches prior to delivery and you still get taxed LCT for those. I don't know that anyone has challenged this though. End supply probably means supply from dealer to you though...
 
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vigleik

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I think for many people they are unaware of the LCT and tax implications of ordering pre delivery. For others they were expecting a US$1k price rise as promised by Elon which would have meant not much price difference post delivery and as the rise was delayed their gamble didn’t pay off. For some others, the convenience of paying upfront and having it from day 1 vs spending time chasing Tesla post delivery when they don’t answer calls and emails was worth a couple of grand.
Wait, are you telling me the US$1k price rise didn’t happen? When I ordered FSD it was $7.1k, and now it’s $8.5k. So as far as I’m concerned I saved $1.4k by ordering with FSD right away.

I didn’t pay any LCT even with FSD, but I guess that’s only because the ACT is slightly less hostile to electric cars than the rest of the country.
 

spidey

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I didn’t pay any LCT even with FSD, but I guess that’s only because the ACT is slightly less hostile to electric cars than the rest of the country.

You must have SR+ which is right on the boundary of LCT with FSD license. In Vic the FSD license would have added $600 Luxury Car Tax. ACT Probably cos you have savings elsewhere you stayed below it.

No I'm more interested in the principle of the thing - for cars that are above the LCT threshold why on earth are we having to pay Luxury Car Tax (with GST and Stamp duty ON TOP) so ~40% tax on a Software License. It's absurd. The craziest thing being the LCT only applies to the software license if bought at same time as car - and perhaps if you buy it just after getting the car...

If you wait, it seems it doesn't apply. And 40% of $8.5k is real money.

The question is - how much later do you have to wait? Do you have to wait 2 years, or can you get it sooner?
 
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meowsers

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The question is - how much later do you have to wait? Do you have to wait 2 years, or can you get it sooner?

of course you don’t have to wait 2 years. Someone here in oz bought it the next day, you have to do it over the phone and then they put a service ticket in to activate it.
 

spidey

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of course you don’t have to wait 2 years. Someone here in oz bought it the next day, you have to do it over the phone and then they put a service ticket in to activate it.

See previous in this thread the link to the legislation. An example is if you buy a new luxury car, and sell it for MORE than what you paid for it used within 2 years, more LCT is due on it.

But the question is how long do you have to wait to get away with no LCT on FSD. Tesla apparently got in trouble for selling it to customer's without LCT after purchase. That's the puzzle I'm trying to solve - what are the terms to not having to pay LCT on FSD. Is it the full 2 years wait? Or is it about 'communication of intent'.
 

meowsers

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See previous in this thread the link to the legislation. An example is if you buy a new luxury car, and sell it for MORE than what you paid for it used within 2 years, more LCT is due on it.

But the question is how long do you have to wait to get away with no LCT on FSD. Tesla apparently got in trouble for selling it to customer's without LCT after purchase. That's the puzzle I'm trying to solve - what are the terms to not having to pay LCT on FSD. Is it the full 2 years wait? Or is it about 'communication of intent'.

No this is rubbish. The rules around LCT only apply to those who sell cars in the course of business.

Direct quote from the ATO:

“When you sell a luxury car in Australia it's subject to LCT if you sell it in the course of your business and you're registered or required to be registered for GST.”

LCT is never paid by the consumer. If there was any due, Tesla would be liable.

Further to this, your car will depreciate significantly anyways from the day you drive it off the lot. Even if any of this applied you would have nothing to pay.
 

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