Well said and agreed.People make these thread titles as definitive statements, and then refer to a news article where the statement is "expected". Basically, the article statement is "telephone gamed" here.
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Well said and agreed.People make these thread titles as definitive statements, and then refer to a news article where the statement is "expected". Basically, the article statement is "telephone gamed" here.
FSD beta version 11 will merge the non FSD and FSD software updates into one. That means that all future software updates will include FSD.. To turn it on, all you would have to do is subscribe to FSD ( and enable it in your Tesla).
“Hit that like, smash that subscribe….”100%. Then some idiot will create a 10min clip and post it on YouTube. Then they go don’t forget, like and subscribe.
ohhh, Elon said... that's confidence right there.The info is from notateslaapp.com :
Elon Musk Says Tesla Will Roll Out FSD Beta V11 Next Week
Tesla will begin a full rollout of V11 of its Full Self-Driving Beta software next week, according to CEO Elon Musk.www.notateslaapp.com
Do you have other examples of what safety features you believe have been available with FSD Beta compared to regular Autopilot? Typically the safety features kick in even when Autopilot isn't even active, and I don't think there's been any difference with FSD Beta 10.x? I believe some people have reported FSD Beta doing emergency maneuvers including steering to avoid accidents, but that's harder to confirm especially if Autopilot / FSD Beta was even still actively driving.
- all safety features of FSD will be standard on all Tesla cars (ie: intervenes before you run a red light)
Do you have other examples of what safety features you believe have been available with FSD Beta compared to regular Autopilot? Typically the safety features kick in even when Autopilot isn't even active, and I don't think there's been any difference with FSD Beta 10.x? I believe some people have reported FSD Beta doing emergency maneuvers including steering to avoid accidents, but that's harder to confirm especially if Autopilot / FSD Beta was even still actively driving.
More generally, it sounded like you were describing basic Autopilot as running on the FSD Beta stack, and that could be possible but not something people have been able to do with FSD Beta 10.x so far. Notably, there's still a toggle in the Autopilot settings to turn on and off "Full Self-Driving (Beta)" which also controls the FSD Beta visualizations even without Autopilot active. Having the visualizations always show new / FSD-Beta-like road edges, etc. could indicate the legacy Autopilot stack is removed, but a natural progression with potentially less risk is to still have both stacks available.
Your other points like the basically the full fleet being able to send back data does make sense, and that can still happen in shadow mode with the FSD Beta neural networks available in all vehicles but not actively driving Autopilot with or without FSD.
One potential interpretation of "single stack" is "just" having FSD Beta's city streets driving behavior only replace what Navigate on Autopilot has handled with the legacy stack. For example, there's some indications that even on city streets, the legacy stack still handles some behaviors such as lane departure warning with a brief switch to the old visualizations then back to FSD Beta's visualizations. So maybe that's one way to verify if "single stack" actually replaced more/all so that there's no "other" stack.There will be no "other" Autopilot stack present to switch to. Both Navigate-on-Autopilot and Navigate-on-City-Streets will be done by the same stack.
Yup totally agree. I believe back in May this year, single stack networks were detected in shadow mode for use on interstates, so indeed the then FSD Beta networks definitely could not run at the same time as a separate in-development single stack network, but plain Autopilot could run with single stack shadow mode. For example, at Autonomy Day 2019, Tesla said they were able to get 21x compute on the FSD computer compared to HW2.5, so if we say the legacy networks take up basically all of HW2.5, that's roughly 5% of FSD computer. So similarly if FSD Beta related networks take up more than 50%, then 5% legacy + >50% current FSD Beta + >50% single stack shadow mode exceeds the compute budget while 5% legacy + >50% single stack shadow mode would work on interstates.Tesla is already up against "compute" constraints on FSD Computer v3 with the current generation of neural nets required to support FSD beta
Cast your mind back ~9 months when musky asserted that single stack would be deployed after 1 week's internal testing, a further week FSDb testing, he then "found out" that it was a bigger job and would take a month of trainingohhh, Elon said... that's confidence right there.
By the way...
That "next week" was last week.
It’s truly incredible. I think Elon is an amazing guy and love my M3. But with respect to full self driving, he appears to be a snake oil salesman. I’m just glad I only paid $6000 for it. I will say I really like having the car change lanes for me. And while I generally don’t let it maneuver exits for me, navigate on autopilot has sometimes helped remind me that I’m about to miss my exit. Those two things are worth the price of entry. But I sure would like actual full self driving on city streets as I was promised.Cast your mind back ~9 months when musky asserted that single stack would be deployed after 1 week's internal testing, a further week FSDb testing, he then "found out" that it was a bigger job and would take a month of training
And here we are
The choke point will be processing all the data. DoJo isn’t even close for being ready. Just a few clusters/tiles/whatever they call it, are running.Yes, it also means that with v11 "single stack", Standard Autopilot will be a subset of FSD. I expect the following w. v11:
This bodes well for a rapid increase in capabilities for both Std Autopilot and FSD, meanwhile accelerating the path to true autonomy.
- all safety features of FSD will be standard on all Tesla cars (ie: intervenes before you run a red light)
- only "convenience" features will be extra cost via EAP or FSD options (lane changes, autopark, fwd/reverse summon)
- the entire fleet will be capable of sending video clips back to the mothership for FSD training
- the vol of data collected, miles logged, events witnessed, will increase by ~20x vs the current beta program
Cheers!
But, it will be. Next week. Right??DoJo isn’t even close for being ready.
Soon, probably....But, it will be. Next week. Right??
Well yes it did......... for about 42 privileged employees and one consultant.Musk announced last month that the initial rollout of FSD Beta V11 started on 11/11/2022 at 11:11 p.m. PST.
That is NOT a rollout and V11 has not rolled out. That is internal testing. To be a rollout it MUST go to some customers and V11 hasn't.Well yes it did......... for about 42 privileged employees and one consultant. ...
yes of course. appreciate your comment for folks, a bad attempt of sarcasm on my part. yet he did call it a rollout in one case.That is NOT a rollout and V11 has not rolled out. That is internal testing. To be a rollout it MUST go to some customers and V11 hasn't.
Analogy, Apple has employees testing iOS 17. But it is NOT rolled out. It is internal testing. Same applies to Tesla.