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Powerwall Move / Convince My Wife Powerwalls are Worth it

Doom Man

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Jan 22, 2020
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New Orleans, LA
Only problem with your description is that hurricanes come with bad weather. Storms. If there is no power in your area and you have solar and PW, and there are clouds, your panels may not be refilling your powerwall.

That's true if it's a slow-moving storm that hangs around for a few days, like the one in Houston a few years ago. Much more typical is the one that comes and goes in 24 hours or less, preceded and followed by typical summer weather. The downside for me is that 2 PW's require power management to be sure I don't run out of battery. I had no choice, because setback requirements meant a generator wouldn't fit on our property unless it was centered in the courtyard. In fact, it was my lovely wife who convinced me to go with batteries instead of plopping a generator between her and her garden.

In fact, a large generator of 20kw+ -- the kind with a fairly quiet car engine instead of a raspy lawnmower-type engine -- would've been my preference, but there's no way to fit it on my property. There's also some risk of losing natural gas after a really catastrophic storm -- that was the case post-Katrina, when water leaked into depressurized gas lines and interrupted gas supplies for over a year in many areas.
 

SMAlset

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Mar 4, 2017
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SF Bay Area
I wouldn't move them either. Big selling feature as time passes for potential buyers. We live in an area where PG&E will be shutting down everyone's electricity during wildfire season once the winds get to a certain point and when humidity is low. We are installing PWs to keep electricity going during those times we know will happen in the future but also other times when the power goes out in a storm or someone crashes into a power pole and disrupts electricity. With the storms that I see hitting Texas each year I don't know if you regularly lose electricity or not but even people on the east coast (and northeast) are installing PWs for outages during storms. Nothing like having to throw out your food after a long power outage. Also if power goes out during the summer and in humid areas, I would prefer to live through it with some air conditioning. If you have increased electricity rates during your Summer/Fall months and have high energy usage from electricity (some homes are all electricity), would pulling from your battery supply during those months especially be a sufficient benefit to you?

As for moving them, technology and solar panels are changing over time. If you move, wouldn't you want the latest tech then? Tesla (and others) no doubt are continuing to improve on their products and make them more inclusive to work with your whole house. So for me I'd look at it as a valuable permanent addition to my house just like putting in a whole house air conditioner.
 
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SMAlset

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Mar 4, 2017
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SF Bay Area
That's true if it's a slow-moving storm that hangs around for a few days, like the one in Houston a few years ago. Much more typical is the one that comes and goes in 24 hours or less, preceded and followed by typical summer weather. The downside for me is that 2 PW's require power management to be sure I don't run out of battery. I had no choice, because setback requirements meant a generator wouldn't fit on our property unless it was centered in the courtyard. In fact, it was my lovely wife who convinced me to go with batteries instead of plopping a generator between her and her garden.

In fact, a large generator of 20kw+ -- the kind with a fairly quiet car engine instead of a raspy lawnmower-type engine -- would've been my preference, but there's no way to fit it on my property. There's also some risk of losing natural gas after a really catastrophic storm -- that was the case post-Katrina, when water leaked into depressurized gas lines and interrupted gas supplies for over a year in many areas.

Don't know about the generator you might have purchased but last year during our PG&E wildfire power shut down, I had the pleasure of listening all night to my next door neighbors generator and smelling the diesel fumes from it which came in through our eaves vents. Thankfully they moved and so their generator left with them. None of those issues with a battery system.
 

jboy210

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Dec 2, 2016
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Northern California
Don't know about the generator you might have purchased but last year during our PG&E wildfire power shut down, I had the pleasure of listening all night to my next door neighbors generator and smelling the diesel fumes from it which came in through our eaves vents. Thankfully they moved and so their generator left with them. None of those issues with a battery system.


Argh. We had the same issue. Our neighbors have one these very large motor homes that has a generator bay in the nose. During the PSPS they had that generator running to power their freezer and fridge, TV, and a few lights. Luckily I can sleep through anything.
 

SMAlset

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Mar 4, 2017
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SF Bay Area
Argh. We had the same issue. Our neighbors have one these very large motor homes that has a generator bay in the nose. During the PSPS they had that generator running to power their freezer and fridge, TV, and a few lights. Luckily I can sleep through anything.

The noise wasn't as bad honestly (with earplugs) as having diesel fumes getting sucked into the house and having to breathe that. Suppose the wind was blowing the fumes away from their house and in our direction. Fortunately that time we were without power for one day otherwise I was going to ask them if they would move it away from where it was to avoid the noise and fumes.
 

bmah

Moderator, Model S/X, California Forums
Mar 17, 2015
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Lafayette, CA, USA
Little over a year ago, I managed to talk my wife into a 3-Powerwall setup, mostly as a cost-saving measure. We're in the SF Bay Area like some of the posters above, with time-of-use pricing and fairly high electricity rates. I guesstimated a fairly long ROI (15+ years) but my wife is used to putting up with my techie quirks. We already had solar. Got everything installed, working fine.

Then we had PG&E's lovely power shutoff events last fall. Our neighborhood went dark, but we kept the lights on for two big outages (the longest was about 60 hours). With a little conservation, I think we could have run off batteries and solar for quite awhile. And then we realized that not having to throw out all the food in the fridge, not having to walk around in the dark with flashlights, a fully-functioning network, and partially working HVAC had a significant (if subjective) value. Basic peace of mind and quality of life stuff.

Then there's the incident a few months ago where PG&E cut the power to our neighborhood for several hours for "planned maintenance". It was a complete surprise because their "advance warning" letter didn't arrive until the day after the outage. Thanks to Powerwalls and solar, I only noticed because my neighbor called me to ask if I knew WTF was going on, and I then checked the app to see that yes indeed our grid feed was dead.

So like a couple people said upthread, there can be multiple reasons to have Powerwalls, each with their own value. Not all of them can be objectively analyzed!

Bruce.
 

SMAlset

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Mar 4, 2017
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Just tonight a neighbor called to discuss weighing the cost/advantages to getting a solar/pw system. One other thing people now working from home (particularly during Covid) can add to that is you can still conduct business and have contact with outside world during an outage. Life as close to normal.

Our electrician is swapping out main panel equipment tomorrow and we’ll be out from 9am until as long as it takes to get the new system connected. All I can say is I’m dreading it already. My husband will be sitting in his car on his phone to have his meetings while the power is out. Power outages are also hard on your electronics and appliances. And if you do live in PG&E wildfire safety shut down zone or experience storm outages that can last for many hours or days, throwing out food is regrettable, especially during Covid times.
 
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jboy210

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Dec 2, 2016
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Northern California
Just tonight a neighbor called to discuss weighing the cost/advantages to getting a solar/pw system. One other thing people now working from home (particularly during Covid) can add to that is you can still conduct business and have contact with outside world during an outage. Life as close to normal.

I agree. We have been working from home for a few years so things are not all that different for us. But it also means we are dependent on power for not just keeping our food safe, but also income flowing. So I can't even describe how thrilled I am to see the Tesla app at 10:30 AM showing 6 of the 7 KW of solar power flowing into our PowerWalls!
 
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aesculus

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May 31, 2015
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I agree. We have been working from home for a few years so things are not all that different for us. But it also means we are dependent on power for not just keeping our food safe, but also income flowing. So I can't even describe how thrilled I am to see the Tesla app at 10:30 AM showing 6 of the 7 KW of solar power flowing into our PowerWalls!
Welcome to the new 3rd world country.:)
 

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