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Powerwalls in new-construction homes - no Tesla help for 22 months

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Powerwall sales staff seems entirely focused upon retrofits. My experience is a woeful tale.

It took me 22 months to track down the team within Design & Engineering (D&E) that deals with integrating Powerwall installation requirements with the design phase of new home construction. I paid my deposit and submitted the questionnaire and follow-up site survey form in July 2017. The first two of my three Inside Energy Advisors were unable to put me together with their D&E team, repeating that I needed to wait until the project was closer to INSTALLATION. I did get a pdf of six generic plans, including one-line diagrams, but nothing particular to my house design. In January 2018 I pressed unsuccessfully for a design-coordination contact. I submitted residential plans to the County in June 2018, having been assisted by a local solar installer making some guesses on conduit sizes and bend radii.

In October 2018 I requested from my third Inside Energy Advisor a quote and design for Tesla to install both the 7 kW solar and a Powerwall.

In February 2019, I asked again.

Thirty days later, I asked again, as the third round of my plans was being finalized for review submittal.

My third Inside Energy Advisor had to be told several times in one telecon that I could not provide photos of the installation because it did not yet exist. (Honestly, I think he was stoned.) I was then advised (5 months after my first request for a quote) that Tesla could not install my panels because they are on an open-frame solar carport, not on a roof. I eventually convinced the Energy Advisor that he needed to forward my project to design at once, so that the plans could be coordinated before the County approved mine.

Then in early April 2019, after I posted about abysmal customer service on a Tesla Facebook forum, I was contacted by an Executive Resolutions Analyst. After a follow-up call from her one week later, I was contacted by a member of the D&E Team who advised me (for the first time since July 2017) that there is a special questionnaire for new construction, and that he was forwarding my project to specialists in Custom/New Construction situations. The next day, that person called to say that he would provide the special questionnaire, and that he would be my contact for coordinating the design.

Permitting of my project took so long because it is on the Sonoma Coast of California, and required a cultural resources survey, geotechnical exploration and report, a coastal permit (nine months), and final approval of a septic system. The house design is a kit home tailored to a 16-percent site slope, and there were foundation challenges that eventually required deleting the basement garage. But the Powerwall conduit sizes and runs should have been specified by Tesla in Month 1, so that those requirements could be seamlessly addressed during design. This week my plans are being submitted for the final County review, and only this week was I contacted by a Tesla designer. Any plan revisions will be change-orders.

As I advised my Executive Resolutions Analyst today:

"Effective January 1, 2020, California building standards will require solar in all new construction homes (or a permitted exception). Fire-season operational and liability realities for PG&E and SCE make precautionary service curtailments a future reality in rural and urban-wildland interface areas. Backup batteries are likely to be considered by many owners of new homes in those impacted areas. May I suggest that only a flawed business plan keeps as a dark secret within Tesla the procedures and contacts for design coordination with new construction projects."

I will post the special questionnaire for new construction when I get it.
 
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Had my Powerwall and solar cells installed by Tesla 10/17 but not operational until March due to approval delays by the local utility, Central Hudson.
The state and local town had no delays in approval.
It is wonderful system.
 
Had my Powerwall and solar cells installed by Tesla 10/17 but not operational until March ....

Aye-yuh. It is a sad state of affairs when the private sector generates longer delays than public agencies. Of course, the electric utilities have a profit motive to drag their feet. I just hope Tesla ups their game soon, because their product and pricing leads the market, but the market is burgeoning and they might get trampled in the stampede.
 
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Powerwall sales staff seems entirely focused upon retrofits. My experience is a woeful tale.

You might be too far gone in the process, but is there some reason you are using Tesla for the solar and Powerwall design/install? I went with Tesla Energy with my install and I can tell you after the install service is just as terrible as the install was.

I do not recommend them to anyone after my experience. You will have to watch every single step of the process like a hawk. They even showed up with the wrong panels to install on my roof. That took over a month to fix, and if you are trying to integrate Tesla’s schedule with your roofer, it is going to be painful.
 
You might be too far gone in the process, but is there some reason you are using Tesla for the solar and Powerwall design/install? I went with Tesla Energy with my install and I can tell you after the install service is just as terrible as the install was.

I do not recommend them to anyone after my experience. You will have to watch every single step of the process like a hawk. They even showed up with the wrong panels to install on my roof. That took over a month to fix, and if you are trying to integrate Tesla’s schedule with your roofer, it is going to be painful.
Do you have your install expierece typed up somewhere? Doing my solar right now
 
Do you have your install expierece typed up somewhere? Doing my solar right now

I don’t think the whole saga is all in one place, but here is a summary:
-Signed contract in Sept 2017 for PW + solar. Was told could get the system installed before Dec 31, I would get Solar edge inverters and would be in SGIP Step 3.
-Much back and forth with design team and wrong info on their end
-December rolls around and I ask about install dates. Salesperson tells me, “oh, no, you will be installing in March”.
- March rolls around and the install crew shows up with the wrong panels. They go ahead and install them, but agree to fix the issue. I end up with Delta inverters, not the solar edge I was promised. But that wasn’t in writing like the panels. So no luck there.
- Few weeks later they show up with the correct panels. I fail city inspection for a label and sealant.
- wait another couple weeks for a corrected label, pass city inspection, system is off while I wait PTO
- wait until May (with Tesla telling me all along it just takes a while) before I call SCE on my PTO. Find out Tesla never pushed ONE button to submit my PTO. Get my PTO the next day after calling Tesla to correct that. At this point Powerwalls have been turned off at a low charge for 2 months. Was worried they would be damaged, but they appear to be fine, luckily.
- start watching my stats and notice one of my panel groups on the back roof isn’t performing well. Call Tesla several times, get blown off each time. Am told “they don’t worry about systems until they are at least 50% down”
- in August take pics of panels with a cheap FLIR, can see 6 that appear to be not working properly based on heat signatures. Call Tesla, send FLIR images, get blown off.
- by September I am running way low against PVWatts estimates. Might not even make my production garuntee for the year. decide to give Tesla one more chance before throwing my 20 year warranty in the trash and hiring a different company to service my panels. Get the call center to reluctantly agree to send my case to the techs, but am told “whatever the techs say is final, so if they say your system is fine, that is it”. Get a call shortly that they can see something is wrong and they need to send someone out. Tech comes out and fixes bad wiring from the original install date. Ended up missing out on the highest production months for 6 panels.
- watched SGIP Step 3 and 4 roll by and didn’t make the cutoff internally on Teslas list. Now I am running out of time for step 5 and not really expecting that to work out either.

So not only was install terrible, the after sale customer service is terrible too. At least now I know to request tech escalation on my first call because the call center folks are only there to try and get you off the phone. And hold times were over an hour each time I called. It sucked. Also, anything the salesperson tells you is probably false if you don’t get it in writing.


Tesla Energy Solar + 2 Powerwall Install SoCal
Thermal images of my Tesla Energy Solar Panels
 
Ok, the new construction forms from Tesla can't be uploaded here because the MS Excel and MS Word extensions are not allowed.

Here are screenshots of the Intake form, and to submit use data so Tesla can model the future system.

For the purpose of including a Powerwall in the DESIGN of a new home, these data requests are of no value. They are for a Tesla-designed PV system installation. In my case, Tesla has declined to install 7 kW of PV panels on my open-frame (6×6 redwood, 18-degree-slope, 178 azimuth, 10x38 foot) solar carport. All this information, plus interior and exterior elevations of the proposed electrical services wall, has been provided to Tesla several times. Apparently the content of my telecon with the design team member was also ignored.

I have emailed a request for specific conduit diameter and radii, and for connection locations. I live in hope.

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Tesla is dysfunctional. This is obvious from outside the company, experienced as a customer, and lived daily as an employee. Your ordeal doesn't surprise me. I just finally got PGE certification on my Powerwall system, over a year after the actual install. I do not blame individual employees. It's a structural problem.

It does appear that the engineers of the actual products, those who make the batteries, motors, inverters, and so on, know what they're doing.
 
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Tesla is dysfunctional. This is obvious from outside the company, experienced as a customer, and lived daily as an employee. Your ordeal doesn't surprise me. I just finally got PGE certification on my Powerwall system, over a year after the actual install. I do not blame individual employees. It's a structural problem.

It does appear that the engineers of the actual products, those who make the batteries, motors, inverters, and so on, know what they're doing.
PGE now requires smart inverters on the powerwall. It is slowing my installation down.
 
Tesla is aware of it. PGE started requiring the smart inverters this year. I am not sure if Tesla was aware of the change but are working on it. You would think that Tesla would know. I called PGE for an update and found out about the smart inverters.

I'm no idea what a "smart" inverter is. I do know that there is massive dysfunction at Tesla. Understaffing. People leaving. It may not be a sinking ship, but it's taking on water.