Pre-Raven 100D also able to support upto 200kW supercharging?

[tontod]

Is this a stealth ability that Tesla is not advertising/mentioning? Last night I was at the Fremont factory v3 Supercharger, and I ramped upto 186 kW. I started at 9%, shared a cabinet with someone upto 14%, I was stuck in the 60-70kW range. Then, when that person unplugged, I slowly started ramping up and hit a max of 186 (!!!) kW @ 24% SoC. Then, it slowly started declining. I included a couple of photos as proof. I bought my 100D in September of 2017.

I am willing to bet that if I had started out near 0, I *might* have hit 200 kW.

 

[BPeter]

I thought v3 don't share cabinets?

 

[croman]

I thought v3 don't share cabinets?

They don't.

 

[Tam]

...when that person unplugged...

The blog says:

"Faster Charging, No More Power Sharing
...
Supercharger stations with V3’s new power electronics are designed to enable any owner to charge at the full power their battery can take – no more splitting power with a vehicle in the stall next to you."

But thanks for the 186kW report! Very nice!!!

 

[Saghost]

The EPC lists two sets of cables between the chargeport and battery, labeling one of them by cross-sectional area.

This suggests to me that at some point Tesla changed the hardware to have a fatter cable to allow higher peak/sustained rates.

The teardowns pointed out that the cable on the 3 was much larger than the one on past S/X teardowns.

My assumption was that they changed the cable with the Raven updates and that this is why they are advertised as charging faster than the older cars are, but there's no evidence of when the change was made that I've seen, and we still don't have a v3 Raven charge cycle record to compare.

 

[tontod]

Ah ok, my bad on the sharing. I saw 1A on mine, next to mine said 1B. It was stenciled in, not sure why. Maybe the ramp up after the person next to me unplugging was a coincidence. I'll retry from a lower state of charge and report back.

 

[MJP.P3D-]

My understanding is they do share BUT .... the sharing is of 1 Megawatt between 4 cabinets so all 4 get 250kw no matter what. Am I wrong?

 

[Tam]

My understanding is they do share BUT .... the sharing is of 1 Megawatt between 4 cabinets so all 4 get 250kw no matter what. Am I wrong?

It's like saying two separate HPCWs on separate 100A breakers are shared in the 200A panel.

It's true that they are physically shared a 200A panel but each of can draw separately up to 80A each or 160A total.

That's not the same as two separate HPCWs are connected by a load sharing communication cable on the same 100A breaker in the 200A panel. Those 2 HPCW can only draw a maximum of 80A total.

 

[shellderp]

I was suspecting this because none of the Raven changes said anything about the battery, thanks for confirming.

 

[ucmndd]

I was suspecting this because none of the Raven changes said anything about the battery, thanks for confirming.

Pretty sure it’s been confirmed that the 100kwh raven batteries have a different revision to the part number.

 

[CSFTN]

OP @tontod : when was your 100D made?

 

[Babaron]

I specifically asked the Tesla Rep in Fremont about this and he told me that pre Raven 100D are limited to 150kW.
So, curious to learn how yours went above that. Other pre Raven 100D owners need to use V3 chargers And report in.

 

[Darmie]

Always love seeing the songs that are listen to during those Kodak moments.

 

[AMPd]

Pretty sure it’s been confirmed that the 100kwh raven batteries have a different revision to the part number.

Yep, I believe Bjorn has a video showing a different battery revision.

 

[shellderp]

I specifically asked the Tesla Rep in Fremont about this and he told me that pre Raven 100D are limited to 150kW.
So, curious to learn how yours went above that. Other pre Raven 100D owners need to use V3 chargers And report in.

wouldn't be the first time a rep was wrong..

 

[tontod]

OP @tontod : when was your 100D made?

Sep. 2017

 

[tontod]

I went to the Fremont factory again Saturday night, but was only able to get upto 156 kW. I started at 9% SoC. I talked to another Tesla owner, and he noted he was getting a lower charge rate than he was used to seeing. He was on a 250 kW (Model 3 owner), and was getting rates similar to a V2, so there might have been an issue with the V3 superchargers that night.

 

[widodh]

Sep. 2017

Interesting! My S100D from 2018 maxed out at 136kW on a 350kW CCS charger in Europe.

Would love to see if my 100D can actually charge at 186kW as well.

 

[Mike Robinson]

I got 140KW for the first time recently. Previously, the highest I had gotten was 110KW at that same SC location.

 

[MorrisonHiker]

That's great news if it is the case for all 100 kWh batteries. For years, some people on this site have been saying the 100 kWh batteries could possibly hit 150 kW to 180 kW. After Tesla did the update earlier this year to allow 150 kW, I tested and only got 128 kW (up from 116 kW before the firmware update). A few months later, I was able to hit 146 kW.

What firmware is your car on and what is the model number of your battery? Maybe they are testing out 180 kW to 200 kW Supercharging on older cars.