Predictions

[TEG]

In California, you end up having to register them as commercial vehicles even if it is just a luxury vehicle for personal use.
Peculiar things with the differences in regulations.

In some cases the safety standards have been different too. They can get around other "car" regulations to do with window tint, bumper heights, etc.

 

[WhiteKnight]

Does this get around some tax or another? That has been going on in the UK although they haven't quite reached luxury.

There was a year under Bush 43 where purchasing a vehicle over 6,000 lbs (or something like that) would allow you to deduct the entire purchase price that year rather than wait and amortize it. Also somehow small business owners were able to deduct their personal vehicles to get to and from work.

So there was a run on Range Rovers, Land Cruisers and other very heavy luxury SUVs (heavy pickups were included in this). I remember the Lexus GX460 was 300 pounds below the threshold limit (whatever it was) so they added an underbody skid plate that raised the weight by 300 pounds.

 

[MarkR]

By 2017, I can easily foresee a joint venture with Winnebago for an all electric RV. The Teslabago is going to be a hit!

 

[TEG]

There was a year under Bush 43 where purchasing a vehicle over 6,000 lbs (or something like that) would allow you to deduct the entire purchase price that year rather than wait and amortize it. Also somehow small business owners were able to deduct their personal vehicles to get to and from work.

Yes, I had a former boss who leased a new Mercedes every 2 years as a business expense, and during that period his accountant advised him to buy a Hummer instead... So he went that way for a while, but hated driving it, and traded it in on another Mercedes a couple years later.

 

[MarkR]

I know that some of you have doubted the plans for a Teslabago, but check it out.

 

[jerry33]

I know that some of you have doubted the plans for a Teslabago, but check it out.View attachment 5832

Where are the falcon-wing doors?

 

[bonnie]

That's the Model S-abago.

 

[MarkR]

That's the Model S-abago.

Thanks for noticing - the TeXlabago will arrive in 2019. Perhaps I'll help a Tesla with a concept car pix when I have nothing better to do.

 

[ElSupreme]

I know that some of you have doubted the plans for a Teslabago, but check it out.View attachment 5832

I'll only get it if I can get a deduct to go to 19" wheels. :biggrin:

 

[TEG]

Or the SpaceX version...

 

[MarkR]

Or the SpaceX version...

Well played TEG . . . now I don't have to do the Photoshop work to construct a TeXlabago.

 

[JRod0802]

With the significant rise of the stock price over the last six weeks, I’ve been thinking more and more about the long term plan of Tesla. I decided to write up where I think Tesla is going to be in the next 10 years, but really I’d be interested in reading other people’s predictions too. So here’s what I’m guessing:

I think in 10 years they’ll have two major very versatile platforms: the large platform (e.g. Model S) and the small platform (e.g. Gen III), with many different vehicles built on these two platforms.

I think in 10 years they’ll have a second factory.

Major vehicle release timeline:

2012: Large platform car (Model S)
2014: Large platform SUV (Model X)
2017: Small platform car (Gen III)
2018: Large platform truck
2022: Small platform SUV
2022: Large platform updated to version 2.0

I don’t have a timeline for this, but I’m sure over time they’ll also release many variants of each of the above vehicles:

Large platform car (Model S)
• Big battery / Small battery
• Performance / Non-performance
• Convertible / Sedan
• AWD / RWD

Large platform SUV (Model X)
• Big battery / Small battery
• Performance / Non-performance
• AWD / RWD

Large platform truck
• Big battery / Small battery
• Performance / Non-performance

Small platform car
• Big battery / Small battery
• Performance / Non-performance
• Convertible / Sedan
• AWD / RWD

Small platform SUV
• Big battery / Small battery
• Performance / Non-performance
• AWD / RWD

By around 2023, all of these variants will exist and will be coming out of two factories. That’s 10 years from now. At around that time, Tesla will still not be making as much money or cars as BMW, but because the market takes into account the future, Tesla will be valued at just higher than BMW. BMW currently has a market cap of 56 billion. If Tesla achieved a market cap of 60 billion (being just over BMW), that’s a stock price of $523. So I guess I shouldn't consider selling until TSLA hits $500.

What do you guys think? Am I being too aggressive with my predictions here? What are your predictions?

 

[Lloyd]

You forgot a new roadster in there somewhere!

 

[vfx]

Yeah, where's the Supercar?

 

[JRod0802]

I was thinking the small platform car AWD, large battery, performance, convertible would be the "next gen roadster". Maybe I'm wrong here, it's just that Elon tends to get over exicted with predictions sometimes, and I think the "next gen roadster" will really just be the souped-up convertible Gen III.

 

[ipdamages]

I think that the fact that multiple people at Tesla have said they are doing a supercar after Gen 3, combined with ego, as well as the fact that the technology is well suited for it, and the Tesla culture of doing things that make people say wow, make a supercar very likely. At least I hope so. And I don't think I'm alone in that hope.

And when I say supercar, I mean more than a Gen 3 convertible.

 

[Kevin Harney]

I think you also forgot a small and large platform Coupe and maybe a large platform convertible.

 

[Cattledog]

JRod - My automotive touchstone is Porsche. Cayenne, Panamera, Cayman/Boxster, 911. Tight number of models, lots of variants. Highest margins in the industry (21%?). 200K worldwide sales. A month or two ago, they were valued at $20M. Since I think they can match Porsche sales in 5 years with S, X, and Gen3, I think a $200 share price is achievable in 3-4 years if they hit all their targets. After that, their upside potentially is a BMW, so $450/share within a decade. After that, who knows.

Or I could be all wrong.


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With the significant rise of the stock price over the last six weeks, I’ve been thinking more and more about the long term plan of Tesla. I decided to write up where I think Tesla is going to be in the next 10 years, but really I’d be interested in reading other people’s predictions too. So here’s what I’m guessing:

I think in 10 years they’ll have two major very versatile platforms: the large platform (e.g. Model S) and the small platform (e.g. Gen III), with many different vehicles built on these two platforms.

I think in 10 years they’ll have a second factory.

Major vehicle release timeline:

2012: Large platform car (Model S)
2014: Large platform SUV (Model X)
2017: Small platform car (Gen III)
2018: Large platform truck
2022: Small platform SUV
2022: Large platform updated to version 2.0

I don’t have a timeline for this, but I’m sure over time they’ll also release many variants of each of the above vehicles:

Large platform car (Model S)
• Big battery / Small battery
• Performance / Non-performance
• Convertible / Sedan
• AWD / RWD

Large platform SUV (Model X)
• Big battery / Small battery
• Performance / Non-performance
• AWD / RWD

Large platform truck
• Big battery / Small battery
• Performance / Non-performance

Small platform car
• Big battery / Small battery
• Performance / Non-performance
• Convertible / Sedan
• AWD / RWD

Small platform SUV
• Big battery / Small battery
• Performance / Non-performance
• AWD / RWD

By around 2023, all of these variants will exist and will be coming out of two factories. That’s 10 years from now. At around that time, Tesla will still not be making as much money or cars as BMW, but because the market takes into account the future, Tesla will be valued at just higher than BMW. BMW currently has a market cap of 56 billion. If Tesla achieved a market cap of 60 billion (being just over BMW), that’s a stock price of $293. So I guess I shouldn't consider selling until TSLA hits $250.

What do you guys think? Am I being too aggressive with my predictions here? What are your predictions?

 

[PeterW]

I know I am probably dreaming but how about this: The Tesla Truck platform is big enough to carry a car; so Tesla make a “bad ass” pickup truck, but they also do a car carrying truck off the same platform. Evs delivering Evs. Your Tesla delivered on a Tesla with the truck driver doubling as the Delivery Specialist.

 

[andrewket]

Please, next gen convertible with seating for 4.