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Production ESS installation logistics

Discussion in 'Roadster' started by TEG, Aug 12, 2007.

  1. TEG

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    #1 TEG, Aug 12, 2007
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    (This topic was split off from the VP thread)
     
  2. AGR

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    TEG,

    Is the powertrain and battery pack installed by Tesla in San Carlos, the cars are shipped as a rolling chassis from England?
     
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    That is the way P1 was shipped (empty chassis), but I don't know if remaining production will follow the same rules. P1 seemed to be an exception. I think they flew in the chassis so they could get that milestone ("First production car shipped") out of the way ASAP. Remaining cars may come by boat instead which will reduce shipping costs a lot, but delay their arrival. Also, it may not have made sense to put the 900lb+ ESS in the car in the UK then fly it. Going by boat (on the other hand) might be OK to have the ESS already in place. Maybe "siry" can let us know if they plan to install ESS here or in the UK on future production cars.
     
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    You'll recall that VP1 was also shipped sans battery pack. Hard to say about the other vehicles so far since they weren't so much considered milestones and didn't get as much attention.
     
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    I remember seeing photos of the car Elon is driving sitting very high until the powertrain and battery was installed in the car. If they ship by boat in the future the cars would require a powertrain since its RORO on the boats, with the real possibility of having dead batteries on several occasions.

    How do you jump start an electric car?

    You are correct TEG, Siry should clarify how these cars arrive in the US with a powertrain or without a powertrain.
     
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    What are you guys including when you say "powertrain"? As far as I know, VP1 and P1 were shipped from the UK with the motor and transmission in place. To me that's what the powertrain is.
     
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    Everything I have seen would indicate that the cars are shipped with the powertrain in the car. Only the battery is installed at San Carlos.
     
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    I would expect that the cars would be shipped by boat without the ESS. They would be packed in shipping containers that would be loaded/unloaded by crane just like any other container.

    There would still be one question. When shipped by air, it's easy enough (although expensive), to send it directly to San Carlos. By ocean, they would arrive someplace like NYC or Baltimore. For cars that are not destined for CA, it would make more sense to install the ESS on the east coast.

    Maybe it doesn't matter. Most of the cars are probably headed for CA anyway, the few that aren't probably don't warrant the extra trouble to save the shipping back and forth.
     
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    The cost effective way to ship vehicles across the Atlantic is "RoRo" with specialised vessels that carry only vehicles, that stop at specialised ports that handle vehicles.

    These VPC (Vehicle Preparation Centre) are extensively equipped to perform a variety of work on any vehicle once it rolls off a ship.
     
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    The latest Tesla newsletter includes this quote:
    "[note: the battery is installed in San Carlos before delivery to the customer]"
     
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    #11 Brent, Mar 5, 2008
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    Some of the old reports had "final assembly" in Hethel. I don't know whether "final" also means the battery.

    I seem to remember that the batteries would eventually be delivered to England for installation there, although not for the first few models. Then again, I could have misremembered, or TM could have changed its mind.
     
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    Yes, I am with you... I thought the original plan was to ship everything to the UK, but things may have changed (or we mis-interpreted what was said before).
     
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    The "powertrain" motor / transmission are intalled by Lotus with the battery pack installed in San Carlos.
     
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    In this video (Jay Leno's Garage) at 6:26 (time remaining) Elon says that Lotus only manufactures a glider and that the powertrain is installed in California.
     
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    That would make sense since the body comes from Europe and the ESS and motor come from Asia.
     
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    From the video the car is shipped as a glider from England with the electric motor, battery pack installed by Tesla in San Carlos.
     

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