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SpaceX Chief Executive Elon Musk said the company plans to roll out a public beta of its Starlink broadband service soon.

Musk said on Twitter that a “fairly wide” beta version of the service will be ready for action as soon as the latest satellites “reach their target position.”Musk said the service will provide internet to the northern United States and “hopefully” southern Canada.

SpaceX is building a constellation of satellites to beam internet service around the world. Musk has said Starlink will require about 12,000 satellites to reach that scale. SpaceX tweeted earlier this month that initial tests of Starlink show speeds capable of streaming “multiple HD movies at once and still have bandwidth to spare.”

SpaceX has grown the Starlink constellation to around 800 satellites to date, including 60 that were delivered Tuesday in the 13th Starlink mission to date.






A tweet last week from Washington state’s Military Department and Emergency Management Division revealed the first known application of the service. Starlink was employed to provide service to emergency responders battling wildfires in Washington state. SpaceX Chief Executive Musk replied, saying the company is “prioritizing emergency responders & locations with no Internet connectivity at all.”

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Over time what you’ll find is that ever smaller and smaller and more isolated communities will get fiber deployments. Right now, even urban centers are still getting upgraded with fiber. But as time goes on, fiber will keep pushing out towards suburban, then isolated suburban, then rural. There will always be customers for Starlink though.
 
Yes, WISP, or at least the future of terrestrial wireless (traditionally, WISPs kind of suck) is likely going to be the major competitor to Starlink. As I intimated upthread, we're in the calm before the storm relative to the auction coming up in December.
Elon has said as much, but perhaps WISP and Starlink can learn to cooperate. Say WISP is advantaged in cities and Starlink provides long haul coverage.
 
Elon has said as much, but perhaps WISP and Starlink can learn to cooperate. Say WISP is advantaged in cities and Starlink provides long haul coverage.

Yeah absolutely. In a world where nothing is black and white, there will be overlapping solutions for sure. In the US, terrestrial cable/fiber, their wireless divisions, and the MNOs (including Ergen—no secret he’s fixin’ to be the fourth carrier) are going to push deeper into rural areas with terrestrial backhaul. From the other direction you’ll see rural WISPs pair up with Starlink for space based back haul. IMHO you won’t see any agreement between big connectivity companies and SpaceX for a while, but there might be some truce at some point in the future.

ROW is a bit more fuzzy as it is 100% about governing bodies and has zero to do with the user base and what they want/need. Some countries are just a non starter, (notably China), some will be REALLY difficult (Russia) some have national assets they need to justify (Oz + NBN) and some will just have general pride based challenges (France). And then of course there’s all the places that simply cant afford it...

But I’m just rambling now...
 
There are apparently at least some situations where fiber into rural areas isn't ridiculous. I think this happened with a recent federal program to help bring internet to rural areas - our country / vacation home has fiber all the way to the house. This is in a forest about 5 miles outside of a town of ~2k., that isn't particularly close to any other town of substance.

The local internet provider ran fiber down the nearby state highway, and then down the county road, and then up our private drive (about 1/2 mile) with 5 houses on that private drive. We needed to pay $2-5k (I forget) to trench from the terminating pole to our house (another 1/10th mile?) - otherwise the only expense is the monthly service fee.

(and this cracks me up - the overall result is better quality service at a comparable to slightly lower monthly cost than our service in a suburb of Portland, OR)


I know from house hunting around here that this isn't the norm. Most country / rural properties have sucky internet available (compared to what we're accustomed to), but it's not deterministic. At least some internet providers are finding a way to make it work (again - I think with federal grant dollars. I think of it as being similar to the push decades back to electrify rural areas).
 
There are apparently at least some situations where fiber into rural areas isn't ridiculous. I think this happened with a recent federal program to help bring internet to rural areas - our country / vacation home has fiber all the way to the house. This is in a forest about 5 miles outside of a town of ~2k., that isn't particularly close to any other town of substance.

The local internet provider ran fiber down the nearby state highway, and then down the county road, and then up our private drive (about 1/2 mile) with 5 houses on that private drive. We needed to pay $2-5k (I forget) to trench from the terminating pole to our house (another 1/10th mile?) - otherwise the only expense is the monthly service fee.

(and this cracks me up - the overall result is better quality service at a comparable to slightly lower monthly cost than our service in a suburb of Portland, OR)


I know from house hunting around here that this isn't the norm. Most country / rural properties have sucky internet available (compared to what we're accustomed to), but it's not deterministic. At least some internet providers are finding a way to make it work (again - I think with federal grant dollars. I think of it as being similar to the push decades back to electrify rural areas).

It's a network, so things can be done.

B4RN (B4RN: The World's Fastest Rural Broadband) in Northwestern England is a non-profit ISP that makes use of volunteer labor to keep the costs down as much as possible. Their website says they have 7k properties, with basic residential use costing #150 to connect and #30/month. That's 1Gb FTTP. If you want 10Gb it's #360 + #150/mo.

Obvious there's rural and there's _really_ rural.
 
There are apparently at least some situations where fiber into rural areas isn't ridiculous. I think this happened with a recent federal program to help bring internet to rural areas...

Yeah, similar to the US stringing electrical power around the country a ~century ago (or whenever it was) to improve quality of life for the underserved rural communities (for the purpose of improving the overall quality of the country), it is important for both the individuals and the country that we enable similarly underserved folks with proper internet connectivity.

Snickering past the irony of federal funds building infrastructure in rural America because the free market has set the price of that infrastructure as otherwise impractical, The Man is about to dish out $16B of funds as part of the Rural Digital Opportunity Fund to improve said rural service. We had a conversation about this in one of the other threads in the SpaceX subforum, but the TLDR is that the funds are kind of up for grabs to anyone who can make their case in providing value from those funds, space networks included (like Starlink, Telesat Constellation, and the legacy GEO gang).

The good news for Starlink is that the $16B is targeted to serve the people who most need Starlink, and Starlink looks to have a pretty compelling case for receiving a good chunk of those funds. The bad news for Starlink is that they're not the only ones in the running for those funds, so odds are at least some of the $16B is going to directly fund terrestrial infrastructure that directly serves the would-be Starlink user base, ostensibly providing those folks a better solution than starlink.
 
Snickering past the irony of federal funds building infrastructure in rural America because the free market has set the price of that infrastructure as otherwise impractical, The
My snickering reaches a high pitch when these same rural folk then vote Repuke because socialism is bad blah blah blah ... NO ONE should have to subsidize anyone else blah blah blah

The hypocrisy in rural America makes me sick

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I'm so pumped y'all.

Starlink launching is the moment SpaceX goes mainstream. Yes the rockets are pretty iconic, but Starlink will be what builds brand loyalty. Starlink will create LOVE for a wide audience. It will be something people interact and use every single day. Starlink will make a love mark on our minds.

Everyone is going to know the name "SpaceX" in 5-7 years. Everyone.
 
Starlink launching is the moment SpaceX goes mainstream. Yes the rockets are pretty iconic, but Starlink will be what builds brand loyalty. Starlink will create LOVE for a wide audience. It will be something people interact and use every single day. Starlink will make a love mark on our minds.

I think everyone can appreciate the enthusiasm; I might suggest a little more restraint on expectations. Sure, we're always going to have a group of enthusiasts stoked on all things Starlink and it sounds like that's your tribe, but for most actual users its going to be just the internet--an abstracted product that itself doesn't directly do anything for users, with the primary if not singular user requirement of don't drop. Its kind of analogous to someone getting stoked on their ATT or Verizon data plan or their Comcast or Cox service. In reality, they're getting stoked on their tangible iPhone or Pixel, their Mac or their PC, etc.

Starlink is also going to affect only a percentage of the population--many millions of users in the US, maybe a few tens of millions of people at peak, so its reaches won't actually be all that wide. (By comparison DirecTV + Dish Network are at something like 20M combined subscribers). Of course tens of millions of people affected by starlink is certainly significant, but its significant in the way that [apparently] there's professional soccer in the US and [apparently] there are a number of people who are fans. And for the step-removed users making up some of those numbers, like those who might use a WISP+starlink backhaul, attitudes will have a corollary step removed from stoke-ed-ness.

Not looking to be a downer, just looking to temper expectations.
 
I think everyone can appreciate the enthusiasm; I might suggest a little more restraint on expectations. Sure, we're always going to have a group of enthusiasts stoked on all things Starlink and it sounds like that's your tribe, but for most actual users its going to be just the internet--an abstracted product that itself doesn't directly do anything for users, with the primary if not singular user requirement of don't drop. Its kind of analogous to someone getting stoked on their ATT or Verizon data plan or their Comcast or Cox service. In reality, they're getting stoked on their tangible iPhone or Pixel, their Mac or their PC, etc.

Starlink is also going to affect only a percentage of the population--many millions of users in the US, maybe a few tens of millions of people at peak, so its reaches won't actually be all that wide. (By comparison DirecTV + Dish Network are at something like 20M combined subscribers). Of course tens of millions of people affected by starlink is certainly significant, but its significant in the way that [apparently] there's professional soccer in the US and [apparently] there are a number of people who are fans. And for the step-removed users making up some of those numbers, like those who might use a WISP+starlink backhaul, attitudes will have a corollary step removed from stoke-ed-ness.

Not looking to be a downer, just looking to temper expectations.

Yah no, you're 100% wrong. Severely wrong. This community shows something clearly different. Starlink - SpaceX Satellite Constellation

****, if they told me I had to pay 24 grand to have a decent internet connection, I would sell the house and move.

I'd sell my soul for Starlink. I have 600kbps down with 127ms.

Bruh My internet speed is 400kBps, If I had that internet I'd be the cat on the top of the tower saying " There is no god up here than me"

Starlink may determine where and when I buy property. If Starlink lives up to expectations, I think it will open up previously unpopulated areas for a lot of people. I can't speak for older generations, but most Millenials I know depend heavily on the internet. Many prefer the countryside, but the lack of good internet is a deal-breaker when you work from home and/or take classes online. Or if you're an online gamer. I mean, how the hell do you play an MMORPG or a shooter with Hughes Net? Even if it's only 25mb/s and <100ms, it would be a thousand times better than the satellite internet currently available.

Starlink can't come soon enough. Frontier needs to die in a fire.

Someone needs to start a #LetUs campaign in canada on twitter.

LetUs Learn

LetUs Work.

Our children can't learn from home, and we can't work from there either. We sit around waiting for promises from the government to come true while the world leaves us behind. If only there were a solution to this problem

#Starlink

Starlink is going to have a much wider network than Dish Network and DirectTV. It's going to be global relatively quickly. It's going to be massively disruptive to the status quo. It will enable millions to come to the 21st century with true modern connectivity, and will compel many to change their lifestyles by making rural life more accessible when it never was before.
 
Yah no, you're 100% wrong. Severely wrong.

Lol, not the best lead out to quote comments from a community of enthusiasts stoked on Starlink in an attempt to show how "wrong" my point is that there's always going to be a community of enthusiasts stoked on Starlink.... :p

But anyway, let's break the rest of this down with more fact and reason and less hopes and dreams:

Starlink is going to have a much wider network than Dish Network and DirectTV.

You certainly missed the point about the US analysis: Dish and DirectTV do not broadcast beyond the US (technically they go to Latin America too, but I digress). The point is that in the US they have ~20 million subscribers and so will affect 3x (or more) people, or 20% of the country and, while I'm sure there's some die-hard corner of the internet with a DTV vs Dish rivalry full of snapping fingers and choreographed moves, there's not some massive group of enthusiasts sacrificing small animals in the name of those services. Starlink at peak can hope to have half the subscribers, ostensibly with half the sacrifices.

It's going to be global relatively quickly.

Based on what evidence? And how do you define "relatively quickly"? As it turns out, most evidence indicates that ROW rollout will be slow and limited, based on the fact that most countries in the world have serious roadblocks to approving Starlink including communism (China = hard no), economics (the ability for users to actually pay for service = hard no on the third world), and competing services (India is on the fence, for instance, but some billionaire just dumped a ton of money into OneWeb).

Evidence points to the US (and potentially Our Hat, depending on how Telesat goes) being the primary Starlink customer base for many years to come.

It's going to be massively disruptive to the status quo.

Please explain what this means. As it stands, there are going to be many millions of subscribers in the US that are going to switch from their crappy cable or satellite service and few if any new-to-the-internet subscribers in the US, because few if any people are out there waiting for an internet solution. They're already paying for crappy cable or satellite service and are just waiting for a better solution.

It will be the same situation globally, with the added complexity of economics (its easy for us in the first world on our high horse to hand wave a $1000 terminal and $100/month for service) and all the fun and excitement of global politics. Starlink broadcasting in China, for instance, will barely be one step removed from a literal act of war. That is not hyperbole.

And then, the "status quo" (= the incumbents) are going to up their games and push back on Starlink expansion. Again, we're in the calm before the storm--the auction is only a few months away, and expect the first half of 21 to bring a number of announcements from the big legacy providers. Seriously, spend some time contemplating why the big incumbents--all of them in the business of making a buck--have basically responded to Starlink with collective silence. Spend some time contemplating why they would willingly and without a fight give up customers to Starlink, an imperative shift to realize the disruption you and others intimate.

It will enable millions to come to the 21st century with true modern connectivity

That's the rub--It will enable those already in the 21st century to enjoy true modern connectivity.

...will compel many to change their lifestyles by making rural life more accessible when it never was before.

The is the most salient point you've made. Thanks to the pandemic, distributed [white collar] workforces are going to become more of a thing, with generally well-to-do city/burbs folks moving to less densely populated areas. Those folks of course are used to their "don't have to think about it" internet, and they'll want that wherever they go. While this is more just <ahem> "good" timing with the advent of Starlink, Starlink will nevertheless be a significant element of this migration phenomenon.

The rub there, of course, is that the more people move into an area the higher the population density becomes and the easier it is for the terrestrial incumbents to move into town--with better service than starlink. And since most people won't actually be stoked on starlink, human nature will lead many of them to go with whatever service is cheaper.
 
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I've posted in multiple threads how I did not expect starlink to work on a moving vehicle and got told by various posters that the dish can adjust thousands of times a second and motion of a vehicle wasn't an issue.

I can't find the other posts so for now I'll drop this here.


How about video proof instead of my word vs yours.


This is on an island near the US/Canada border so starlink sat coverage is solid there.

 
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