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Purchasing in Ontario - Taxes, Surcharges, etc

Discussion in 'Canada' started by ultimate4g63, Mar 28, 2014.

  1. ultimate4g63

    ultimate4g63 New Member

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    Hi All,

    Brand new member here. I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea of the sales taxes and surcharges that are added to the final invoice? Right now, I'm crunching numbers based on the Tesla website calculator, but I'd like to know what the bottom line really comes to here in Ontario. I see the website shows a destination and regulatory charge of $1,170. Is this the only surcharge added? Does the invoice total comprised of vehicle price + $1,170 + 13% HST? I will be visiting a sales centre this weekend, but I'm antsy and like to make calculations of my own ahead of time. I did some searches on this forum, but wasn't able to pull anything up. Any help would be appreciated.

    PS. Is there is any wiggle room in the sale price of a new Tesla at all?
     
  2. Doug_G

    Doug_G Lead Moderator

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    This is from my final MVPA:

    Tesla Personal Delivery $990
    Federal Air Conditioner Tax $100
    Final Inspection, Prep, and Coordination $180
    HST $xxxxx

    That's it.

    Don't forget to apply for the $8500 rebate!

    None whatsoever. You might be able to get a keychain if you try hard...
     
  3. ultimate4g63

    ultimate4g63 New Member

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    Much appreciated, Doug. Was there no destination and regulatory charge added to your invoice?

    I definitely plan to apply for the rebate. Did it come in quickly for you? I must admit the Tesla website calculator has me a bit confused when it comes to the EV incentive/rebate. I haven't a clue how it's working the rebate into the "effective" monthly payment. It has something to do with the downpayment percentage, but I really can't figure it out.
     
  4. Doug_G

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    Those were the only charges on my invoice.

    Calculating the effective monthly effect of the rebate depends on your planning horizon - how many years you plan to finance or own the vehicle. Plus the time value of money. Not really worth thinking about - just enjoy the $8500!

    I've done it twice now and it's taken a month or less each time. Mileage may vary.
     
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    Thanks again.
     
  6. techMology

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    You'll also get hit with ~$100 for plates/licensing if you get the GV plates.

    Tesla applies for the EV credit on your behalf - the $8500. The EV charger rebate you have to apply for on your own if you buy and install an eligible charger.
     
  7. Doug_G

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    I assume you mean the cost for getting any kind of plates, so if you're not transferring plates over you have to pay that. But it doesn't go on the MVPA, it gets charged separately when you pick up the car.

    The procedure keeps changing! When I got the Roadster, Tesla gave me the $8500 discount and submitted to the government... but the government mistakenly sent me the check! I gather they had additional problems along that line and stop doing it.

    When I got my Model S they helped me fill out the paperwork.

    The process may have changed again... ask your delivery specialist.
     
  8. mknox

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    Some dealers will apply for the rebate themselves and apply the credit to the purchase contract. Tesla doesn't, but they help you fill out the application forms when you pick up your car. I was surprised to have my cheque within 2 weeks (especially considering it is coming from the government!)
     
  9. techMology

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    Yes, assuming he's not bringing over his own plates is what I meant (Tesla only has the GV plates, I assume). That amount will vary depending on his birthdate of course. Jon asked me to bring a cheque for the plates - and told me it would be around $100. It ended up being $85.

    The EV rebate was already filled out when I took delivery. I just had to provide a VOID cheque for the electronic deposit and sign. I had to account for the $8500 myself - it wasn't taken off the purchase price.
     
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    I had a trade and was expecting Tesla to flip the plates over, but they already had plates on the new car. I had to return my old car's plates to the MTO and wait for a refund in the mail. It was just around my birthday and I already had paid for the next year's renewal sticker.

    Plus the new car had regular blue plates on it, not the green ones. It was early 2013 and my delivery guy said that while the MTO had the 2012 models in their database as electric, they had the 2013 in as a 6-cylinder gas car and the system wouldn't let them issue green plates!
     
  11. Doug_G

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    When I got my Model S, they didn't have green plates because they were - get this - out of stock.
     
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    I guess I missed reading about the EV charger rebate. I didn't know that a rebate existed for installing a charger. Does anyone have a link to that? I'm picking up my car in 3 weeks, so this thread is great.

     
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    Both incentives (EV and charging equipment) are described here: Electric Vehicle: Incentive Program. The charging equipment rebate is 1/2 the cost up to $1000.

    A couple of tips on these rebates: You can get the Tesla folks to fill out the forms for you at delivery time, but take them home with you and send them in yourself. I left my forms with the Tesla DS and the found after 10 days that he still hadn't sent them in, so I finished them myself, scanned them and emailed them to the address on the form. It took about 6 weeks (including the Christmas week) to get the rebates via direct deposit. And even though they say that you can't apply for the charging rebate until you have received the EV rebate, I sent the forms in the same day and got the two rebates the same day (6 weeks later).

    As for the total charges on the purchase, I had these in Dec 2013:
    • Vehicle cost as in the Design Studio, including the $1170 "Destination and regulatory document fee"
    • $100 Air Conditioner tax
    • $22.76 Ontario Tire Stewardship
    • $5 OMVIC
    • HST on the above
    • $85 shipping fee for the HPWC
    • License plate fee (GV plates cost the same as regular plates)
    • And they charged me $72 to install the winter wheels I had brought with me
     
  14. techMology

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    Buy the HPWC from Tesla Toronto. They should have them in stock, no shipping charges, and they charged me $1274 instead of the $1300 they list online. Plus HST, of course.
     
  15. hingisfan

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    Is anyone using a NEMA 14-50 outlet with the included UMC outdoors all year round? I would like to save the HPWC cost if I can. (I don't plan on getting dual chargers)
     
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    Yup. Works well for me.
     
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    Yes, in fact I am using a 20 amp 240 volt outlet with the UMC currently.

    Without the dual chargers, the only advantage to the HPWC is the convenience of a permanently installed charging solution. You will get the same capacity (40 amps continuous) from the UMC.
     
  18. hingisfan

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    Sorry, also forgot to mention that if I just used the UMC outside I would probably just leave it plugged in all the time so I would only have to plug in the car end regularly. We live in the country so theft not a big concern and I think that would be much more convenient. Basically just like a dedicated EVSE.
     
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    I was concerned about theft as I have a carport/deck. My 14-50 is mounted at 8' off the ground and the UMC cord is threaded through several rafters. It's thus difficult to access and virtually impossible once the car's parked.
     
  20. hingisfan

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    Here's my other dilemma...I have enough points from my PC Mastercard to get the Eaton outdoor unit from Home Depot for about $200. It would be slower charging at 32A vs 40A from the UMC, but then I am using a more robust outdoor unit with no theft possibility, plus keeping my UMC in the car in case of emergency, and keeping it in mint condition. I think the Eaton is fast enough for me as I don't really ever come home from a long trip (over 200km) and then have to leave again shortly after. Just annoys me that I would not be taking full advantage of what the car can charge at (without the cost of dual chargers of course)

    Thoughts?
     

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