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question on ev in general but tesla specific> wi/fi-(rf) danger?

Discussion in 'Model S: Driving Dynamics' started by alehbaba, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. alehbaba

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    Every time i ride in my gf model s i often get headaches.She drives pretty conservative but when she accelerates its a strange feeling of g force compared to my sports car. I cant really explain it. Maybe its the outgassing new car smell? But it feels strange. I also wonder since its all battery and its a d model and wifi enabled if there is any rf issue to health?? Like all the wi-fi in the car and the batteries you sit on all the time? Just curious. I can tell its an electric motor acceleration type from front and rear from the way it takes off but for me it still feels odd and somewhat nauseous. Or least t makes me feel this way when driving in the car.
     
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  3. alehbaba

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    who knows....i like her car i just feel slightly uneasy when driving with her as i described.
     
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    It's psychosomatic. Human beings cannot feel and are NOT affected by wifi or battery em fields. Total pseudoscience hokum.

    The car has tons more torque than your sports car. That's likely all you're actually feeling.
     
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  5. daniel

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    The RF is a non-issue. There's no effect there. The new-car smell definitely makes some folks nauseated (including me). Also, if you are subject to getting carsick, your GF's driving style may affect you. My mother always drove gas, brake, gas, brake... etc. Never just a steady speed, and I always got sick in the car with her driving. Much less so when my sister drove, as she was much more steady.

    The Model S has a lot of torque, and you might be unused to that much acceleration, but if your GF drives steadily that's probably not the issue. I think the new-car smell would be the most likely, but I've only been in a Model S three times, and I don't think any of those were new enough to still have the smell, so I don't actually know if the Model S has it. But I get sick immediately upon getting in a new car.
     
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    Do you drive your sports car yourself? The perception of g forces when you drive and can anticipate things is different to when someone else drive. It also doesn't help that you can't hear the engine as much.

    The high g-forces of a Model S do make some people a bit queasy - my dad included. We haven't been able to find a realistic solution for that. Zofran maybe?
     
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  7. alehbaba

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    i bet its a couple things but not serious. i think the torque from all 4 wheels at once from an electric motor is alot diff then from my 2 door convertible rear engine car.
     
  8. alehbaba

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    medical authorities gave Segerbäck an EMF-resistant suit like the ones worn by engineers working in close proximity to live telecom towers and high-voltage power lines.

    if its psycho samatic or whatever why do engineers working on towers need emf resistent garb?
     
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    It sounds like you just want someone to validate your irrational, unfounded fear of EM fields. I doubt you'll find anyone here to do that.
     
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    My guess it's the regen braking. That's fairly discomforting to a lot of people. Try setting 'regen' to 'low'.
     
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    Ask her to turn off Ludicrous Mode
     
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    Akikiki A'-Lo-HA ! y'all

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    You are kidding, right? You don't stop to think that if there was a health problem that Tesla would still have built nearly 200,000 cars and shipped them all over the world? I think you can answer this question yourself.
     
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    The wifi part of this was posted some weeks ago on the Tesla forums, I assume by the same person not satisfied with the answers?
     
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    The above is not really a valid argument. A Tesla booster like me will have confidence in Tesla not to build a harmful car, but a Tesla hater will be convinced that of course Tesla would harm us to make money.

    The valid argument comes from solid evidence: The claim that Wi-Fi, RF radiation, or other non-ionizing radiation is harmful has been clearly rejected by a very large number of studies clearly showing this not to be the case. Non-ionizing radiation does only two things to people and other animals: it generates heat, and in the visual range it stimulates the optic nerve. That's why a microwave oven works: It heats the food. If the flux is extremely high, it can cause burns, just like putting your hand in a fire or touching a very hot surface. When the flux is lower (as is the case with all normal situations) the heating is too little to be noticeable or even measurable. Like putting your hand in lukewarm water: It feels pleasantly warm but does no damage.

    We are surrounded by RF energy all the time. It is absolutely harmless until you get close enough to a high-enough-power transmitter for it to cause burns.
     
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    Wifi signals do not do anything. For one, you are surrounded by radio/wifi waves everywhere on earth. Secondly, the sun emits electromagnetic radiation with a lot more energy content then that of UHF radio waves.
     
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    The driver is a woman, is there more to be said? lol sorry
     
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    I believe you're just trying to be funny, but invoking an (outdated and in my experience untrue) stereotype about female drivers was totally uncalled for.

    Bruce.
     
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    turn off the regen braking to low - i get a lot of ppl that c/o feeling carsick with it on (doesn't bother me).
     
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    Back to the OP's concerns, outgassing may indeed be a problem (with all new cars). There's also the fact that an EV (in particular a Tesla) has a different feel when it's accelerating (lots of torque from zero speed, and no gear shifting, for instance). Others have addressed the concerns about physiological effects of RF radiation so I won't rehash them.

    OP, does your gf let you drive? How do you feel if you're the one behind the wheel?

    Bruce.
     
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    I find that the acceleration of an EV is smoother and therefore less sickening than than of a stinker. I think the driving style is a bigger issue: Some folks are constantly accelerating or braking and that makes me carsick much more than a driver who maintains a steady speed. A driver who's not used to regen might have a harder time maintaining a steady speed. I do find it harder in my Tesla than in my Prius to maintain a steady speed. The Prius has some regen, but very little, compared to the Tesla. But the new car smell, as I and others have already said, seems to me the more likely culprit.
     

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