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Questions people stop and ask about my TESLA (or, why charging takes zero time)

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by TESRICH66, Sep 12, 2019 at 7:05 AM.

  1. TESRICH66

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    In the 9 months I have owned my Model 3 this seems to be the most asked question by curious folks. I present here an approach that is foreign to most of my EV friends. It took an engineer and very rational thinker to explain this to me. I thank them for their out of the box thinking. I was blind and now I charge.

    Warning: Knowledge is Dangerous. Do not read this post. It may cause you to have the best responses to the curious folks who ask you about your TESLA.

    It Contains DETAILS which are true... and most people I encounter don't want the details...too much information...
    . (But if they needed a brain surgeon or attorney, wouldn't they want someone who knows all the details?)

    So please read on with caution.

    Charging is key to electric vehicles. I attempt to lay out the relevant time expenditures inherent in the "gassing" process. These are things we all did automatically and without question because that is the way we were raised in a fossil fuel economy.

    So this is what I tell them: (Brace for Details....Brace for Details)

    (this assumes you can plug in at home. ) Keep in mind, I am trying , with my answer , to educate them to the fact that Time of charging is a non issue, time to gas is more of an issue, and the thousands of years the carbon lasts in the atmosphere is ultimately the highest most life threatening issue... That is the issue... that they don't know what the real issue is. That is why Elon Musk made this car in the first place.

    How long does it take to charge?
    I respond "You don't "charge it"....."

    "Gassing " an ICE car...to me means the active process of adding fuel to your car. The Gassing process requires planning and spending real time to do the following:

    1 diverting to gas station either on the way to work or to home... (wondering all the way if the gas prices are up because its Friday or just before a holiday,)

    2 - waiting in line an jockeying for position

    3- getting out of your car and into the heat, or cold, or rain, or snow)

    4- digging out your credit card....don't drop it in the spilled gas!

    5- selecting the correct grade

    6- standing in the wind etc picking up the pump nozzle in smelly and many times at night quite possibly an unsafe transitional space. Car hijacking and "sliding" are common crimes in gas stations. Tips to keep your kids safe while you're pumping gas

    7 - Squeezing the pump handle for the actual "gassing" step for 4 or possibly 5 minutes"

    8- paying or getting a receipt

    9 - getting back in and re diverting to your destination...wondering if that smell in your car is actually gas on the soles of your feet...now on your floormat!

    10- Washing your hands as soon as you get home...remember the pump handle that 300 people grabbed before you that day....never cleaned since installation maybe 4 years ago?

    11- remembering to never let your kids pump gas?

    (Many kids have been injured ingesting gas when it kicks back and splashes into the face of the child... Some non-knowing parent let little Johnny or Mary pump gas like a big person. Not good.)

    So many things.... so many details... And we pay for this?



    With an electric plug in at home there is none of that wasted hour or two "gassing" activity during the month, month after month, year after year. (Now THAT'S a lot of "gassing" time.)

    Plugging in at home is much safer for everyone... much more comfortable and better for us and the environment.

    Caution: More details to follow. Brace for Details....Brace for Details!

    Now for the real TIME equation. You must factor in the added work time to pay for the privilege of doing all the above.

    Only a fraction of your hard earned pay (weeks of Time at work every year, actually goes into actually moving your ICE car down the road! The majority of that taxed income goes into the air in the form of waste heat and air pollution (Just look at all the huge bug-like grills on the ICE cars! Most cars now, because they have nothing else to distinguish themselves with choose grille shapes akin the the shape of Darth Vader's helmet! Different shapes of grills identify the different brands! Talk about burning through your cash...ice cars excell at that.

    You are paying a premium to pollute our air. After combustion, one gallon of gasoline weighing about 6 pounds, forms just over 19 pounds of carbon. How many pounds of carbon dioxide (CO2) does a gallon of gas produce?

    A typical passenger vehicle emits about 4.6 metric tons of carbon dioxide per year. This assumes the average gasoline vehicle on the road today has a fuel economy of about 22.0 miles per gallon and drives around 11,500 miles per year.

    Instead, with a TESLA , go home, plug it in on the way to the kitchen. Leave home every day in a warm car with a selected state of charge ..hundreds of miles of range.

    4 extra seconds on a few days or 1 day a week and YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND THERE CHARGING. Just like you don't have to stand in front of the washer and dryer to do your weekly laundry. Set it and forget it.

    Charging at home represents what most people do for approximately 90% of your driving miles. The cost for me is approximately $4.50 for 310 miles of driving the safest car in the world.

    I have said this many times to people and they smile and say "Yeahhh I get it! Their fascination at the details never ceases to amaze me. People want to know. The details do not crush them. They thank me and ask if I sell these cars.

    For Supercharging time, my response is similar but with different details. "You don't SUPERCHARGE either. Just have lunch in a clean restaurant or in a warm car in winter...or a cool car in the summer. "

    At a recent Supercharging stop in Liverpool NY, a fellow from Florida politely asked me "how long does it take to charge my TESLA"?

    My response was, "I'm not charging it. I'm having lunch."

    He understood instantly and smiled. He needed no additional details.

    He said he was interested in the upcoming TESLA Pickup Truck.

    I told him "So am I"

    Nice guy, nice day, nice experience, nice lunch.

    Did I mention the clean restrooms at the hotels and casinos?

    Enjoy their smiles.

    Charge and live long in a safe TESLA.
     
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  2. ecarfan

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    Good analysis. I have been doing that for years. In brief, I say “The vast majority of the time I spend zero time charging my car because it charges automatically at home while I sleep. When I am on a trip greater than 250 miles or so I charge my car while I’m eating lunch or taking a break from driving, which most people do anyway, so again it takes essentially no time.”
     
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  3. 640k

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    OP i think i understand what you're trying to convey to people but it does come off a bit entitled. I think it's a great idea to educated people on why range anxiety doesn't have to be a thing. most people who drive, rarely drive more than 100 miles/day and those that enjoy an occasional road trip get caught up in the numbers. for me, specifically, it was the idea of understanding that you "top-off" your charge as you go [on a trip] vs. waiting until you're on E (like in an ICE). this is just a fundamental understanding of EV ownership that the general public hasn't had an opportunity to wrap their heads around.

    with THAT said, there are still MANY cases where an EV may have a disadvantage. power outages and major storms (evacuations) can have a huge impact on your ability to find an electrical outlet or charging station. gas stations aren't immune, but with an ICE vehicle, you have the opportunity to stock up on fuel reserves if these were ever an issue. one user posted that they had no electricity as a result of Dorian and their vehicle had no charge, so they were stuck.

    rural and mountainous areas can be problematic for EVs as well , if you don't have the range or a good plan of action. again, ICE vehicles aren't immune here, but, generally speaking, it may be more difficult to top off an EV vs finding a gas station (in today's age).

    no situation is perfect and while i do appreciate your take on, "you can literally be doing anything else other than watching your vehicle charge", the general public is just slow to catch up. as technology improves and more solutions arise, these conversations will certainly change. i just don't know where i'm going to get an ICEE now.
     
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  4. DopeGhoti

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    I like to consider myself at least to be at the baseline of "functional operator of a motor vehicle". While I absolutely support EVs and everything that they stand for and do, I find descriptions like this when talking about fueling an ICE vehicle needlessly inaccurate and unfair. Let's discount for the moment the fact that you can refuel an EV at home overnight:

    "Diverting to gas station either on the way to work or to home... (wondering all the way if the gas prices are up because its Friday or just before a holiday,)"

    Diverting to a Supercharger or other charging station is likely to be equally far out of the way. Because they are less ubiquitous, you also wonder if they will be either fully occupied or fully functional. Let's call this a wash.

    "Waiting in line an[d] jockeying for position"

    I've seen plenty of anecdotal evidence of this happening at EV chargers too. Notwithstanding CostCo, it's rare that you have to wait in line at a gas station.

    "Getting out of your car and into the heat, or cold, or rain, or snow"

    Until we have Snake Charger Cables, this is not unique to explosion-powered engines.

    "Digging out your credit card"

    Many EV charging stations use their own RFID cards or require you to scan a QR code on your phone. A wash here.

    "Don't drop it in the spilled gas!"

    I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen spilled fuel at a gas station, because that number is zero. Unless you're in a recreation of Zoolander, the chances that you're going to see enough spilled fuel to drop something into are exceedingly small.

    "Selecting the correct grade"

    Fair.

    "Standing in the wind etc picking up the pump nozzle in smelly and many times at night quite possibly an unsafe transitional space. Car hijacking and "sliding" are common crimes in gas stations. Tips to keep your kids safe while you're pumping gas"

    A fair number of L1/L2/DCFC chargers are not in what I would typically style as 'the right side of the tracks'. That said, I have yet to hear of any EV-charging-station based carcjackings. Point for EVs.

    "Squeezing the pump handle for the actual "gassing" step for 4 or possibly 5 minutes"

    This is almost never a thing. You set the nozzle to fuelling, set the release lever, and let go; when your tank is fuel, it releases the lever and you're done.

    "Paying or getting a receipt"

    Fair, notiwthstanding that generally scanning the QR code / RFID card as mentioned above already handles this step.

    "Getting back in and re diverting to your destination...wondering if that smell in your car is actually gas on the soles of your feet...now on your floormat"

    Unless you're implying that once you charge your EV, you never leave; this is not a fair point of comparison. Also, see the rebuttal to "dropping things in the spilled gas", above.

    "Washing your hands as soon as you get home...remember the pump handle that 300 people grabbed before you that day....never cleaned since installation maybe 4 years ago?"

    Washing your hands as soon as you get home.. Remember the electrical connector that 300 people grabbed before you that day? Never cleaned since installation maybe four years ago?"

    "Remembering to never let your kids pump gas?"

    Why?


    All that said, being able to charge at home (notwithstanding people unable to do so due to their living situation) is indeed quite a benefit. I would say that even if you cannot charge at home, spending 20 minutes or so per week charging the car back up to 80% SoC is a fair trade for the actual cash savings compared to petroleum-based fuel.
     
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  5. T3SLAROD

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    I never get asked about charging...... it’s always about panel gaps and time spent at the service center
     
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  6. Nocturnal

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    #6 Nocturnal, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:02 AM
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    I agree 100%. It drives me crazy when people insist that gassing up their car takes 2 minutes.

    People are really stupid. They ignore the $1000 gas savings they might receive because their twice a year trip takes an extra hour. That's basically like being paid $500 an hour (after tax). I'll take that any day. They also discount the time wasted going in for oil changes etc. over the life of a car. Over 100k miles in a gas car you are probably spending 10 hours just waiting on basic maintenance.

    I responded inline but a high level your responses don't fit because you supercharge a few times a year but you gas up weekly. Almost all of us charge at home or work.
     
  7. CharleyBC

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    The time (and availability) to charge are the most frequent class of questions I get from curious—often skeptical—non-EV people. Like OP, I mention all the time I no longer spend at gas stations since the car charges while I sleep. And, yep, the car has more range than my bladder, so charging happens on road trips while I’m eating and, well, you know.

    Which reminds me: time to set my level to 90% for tonight’s charge in preparation for our road trip tomorrow!
     
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    Did you miss the parts where I literally said "Let's discount for the moment the fact that you can refuel an EV at home overnight" and "All that said, being able to charge at home (notwithstanding people unable to do so due to their living situation) is indeed quite a benefit"?

    I agree that EVs are superior, but presenting canards about lakes of gasoline or the incredible inconvenience of selecting an octane rating by pressing a single button are not making EV proponents look good.
     
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    It depends on one’s rate plan. Our incented overnight rate works out to about $8 for a full charge (which we never actually do, of course). Only it’s really $0 because, yes, we have solar.
     
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    I tell em, it's just like my smartphone, I plug it in when I get home, and unplug it when I go to work. Takes 5 secs.
     
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    The stations I used to frequent didn't have those anymore. They don't always shut off, depending on how the nozzle is inserted, so they usually remove them from the nozzles.
     
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    Most of your points here are made under the assumption that you're using a public EV charger or SuperCharger. But that's almost never the case. That only occurs on a road trip. The other 50 weeks of the year, you're charging at home in your garage.

    In my garage, there is no line, no diversion off my intended route, no payment process, no "iffy" neighborhood, no contaminated handle, no spilled fuel, and no weather.

    With my current electrical plan (free nights 9PM - 6AM), there is no bill, either.

    I would not call this a "wash" with the ICE fueling process.

    This is not true in all states. In Texas, the hold-clip levers were not allowed on consumer self-serve pumps until the early 2000's. In some out-of-the way gas stations in small towns, they still have the same pump handles from before the law was changed, and you actually have to hold them the entire time. When I was a teenager in the 80's, you had to hold them the entire time everywhere in the state.

    Massachusetts just legalized the hold-clips in 2015. They had been illegal since the 1970's prior to that.

    New York still outlaws them.
     
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    In cases where there was no hold-clip lever, MOST of the time you could just simply use your gas cap (shoved into the handle) to hold it. Was perfect, but worked 90%+ of the time.
     
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    If I said even half of that to someone who asked me about charging I'd have lost their attention and respect in minutes. No one wants to hear an EV owner come across as condescending to ICE owners. You can get the same point across without deliberately inflating what you need to go through to fill an ICE car.

    Whenever someone asks me how long it takes to charge I just tell them "About 20 seconds. I plug it in when I get home and every morning when I wake up it's fully charged and I just unplug it and go." Invariably, their next question is "What if you you have to go far." To which I just say "95% of my driving, including back and forth to work and running errands at night, never needs more than what I started with in the morning. If I'm on a road trip I schedule it so that I charge when I stop to eat and use the bathroom."

    That's it, keep it simple, don't be jerk. Most people are asking because they are genuinely curious, let's not put them off by being deliberately condescending and obtuse.
     
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    Not true for NYS. The Sunoco station a mile from me has the clips - I use them when filling my BMW.
     
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    I agree, I lost interest after reading the first sentence: "Charging is key to electric vehicles."
    I mean, It was such a revelation my mind was blown.:rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, clearly I did lol. In my defense it was a lot of text. ;)
     
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    Fair point, I did go on a bit there, didn't I? :)
     
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    Might be a recent change. The article I read that cited the Massachusetts law change was from 2015. It said that at that time New York still outlawed them, but they must have followed suit.
     

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