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Questions RE: Aftermarket Wheels, Offsets, Tire Sizes, etc...

Discussion in 'Model S: Driving Dynamics' started by arijaycomet, Jan 18, 2015.

  1. arijaycomet

    arijaycomet Member

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    #1 arijaycomet, Jan 18, 2015
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    My 2014 MS85 has the optional 21" wheels (about 1,200 miles on them, in storage now for winter time -- have dealer installed 19" winter setup on the car now). I've been enjoying the smaller size, extra tire, here in Cleveland, Ohio. I'm not sure how I feel about the 21s come summer, not so much ride quality as much as road quality.

    At this point I'm seriously considering going with an aftermarket 20" wheel/tire combo and have the following questions:

    (1) - What sort of money do people normally get selling the factory 21" wheel/tire combo? I'd sell it all complete, so again this is a 1,200 mile old 21" (GREY color) factory setup, wheels + tires + TPMS. What sort of asking price, what sort of sale price is typical?

    (2) - Looking at going with aftermarket wheels for summer, I'm leaning towards a 20x9 (or 20x8,5) setup. Do most people go staggered? I'm partial to being able to rotate for maximum tire life, but curious what results others have had. Sure I could go staggered for more rear tire, but then rotation and tire life is more limited, right? Thoughts? (realize this can be a bit opinion based, but hearing others results is ideal)

    (3) - What tire size in 20" is most popular? I'd imagine a 245/40-20 since that is closest to OEM. But is anyone out there running something more aggressive like 275/35-20 all around? Is 275 too wide to fit up front? Seems like the most "slick" setup would be 20x9 all around on 275 tires, so you get the added grip, can still rotate, but will that fit/clear okay up front (ET35)? Will it handle worse due to the excessively wide up front rubber?

    Right now I'm considering wheel options such as TSW Nurburgring or Verde Axis V99 .... but I'd really love to go custom forged if money permits (will depend on answer to #1 above and how much cash I can get from OE setup). Still, what I'm leaning towards would be a 20x9 ET35 245/40-20 setup all around for simplicity. Looking for suggested setups tho, tire sizes, etc... TIA for any helpful feedback. - Ari
     
  2. simplesolar

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    I've downsized from 21" to 20"

    Running 20x9 up front with 255/40/20 and 20x10 rear with 285/35/20 pilot super sports. Really like the setup and handles much better than before. 275/40/20 will not fit in the front as 255 already rubs slightly.
     
  3. arijaycomet

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    Thanks @simplesolar

    I've gone ahead and listed my OEM setup here:
    TMC Marketplace

    Hopefully I'm able to get into something that is both a touch smaller (better for Ohio)-- but also then custom which will look unique :)
     
  4. Vuvision

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    I just installed a set of staggered 20" Vossen VFS1 wheels.

    Front rim: 20x9 (+35 offset), tire: 255/40/20 Michelin PSS
    Rear rim: 20x10.5 (+42 offset), tire: 285/35/20 Michelin PSS
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  5. 46&2

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    Does this setup fit without the need of anything like spacers or working in the wheel well? Any rubbing when backing up and full turn?
     
  6. Vuvision

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    You'll need 6 mm hub-centric spacers for the rear wheels, and it has to be 6 mm, no more ... no less. I had the spacers at 10 mm and that was too thick for the studs to provide at least 5-6 thread engagement with the bolts, I had to shave it down to 6 mm. The 6 mm is needed to push out the wheels from touching the inner wheel well liner, this liner is not rigid and can flap in and out as much as 1/2", I had the shop to zip tie it in place. The 6 mm would clear this flapping action, but I just wanted to have belt & suspender.

    The front does very slightly rub the back of the wheel well liner on the driver side during reverse only at a particular angle. It is not that big of a deal for me, but if you want to be clear from rubbing, go with 245/40/20 tire.
     
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    Thank you a lot for the enhanced description. Problem here is not so much what I want (rubbing...), but what the car controlling state instances are willing to accept. In Switzerland, you got to have checked and registered about everything you change. Special documents/testings/cost for rims, spacers...

    And you will never come away with rubbing. Won't let you go through... :(
     
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    #8 linkster, Jan 20, 2015
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    I prefer:

    1. ET 35-40mm (40 is factory)
    2. 20x9" as this allows many tire combinations such as (4) 245/40-20's, (4) 255/40-20's (may exp. front rubbing at or near lock position), 245/40-20 (front) 265/40-20 (rear) which is nearly identical to P85+ staggards
    3. Not to deploy wheel spacers (accomplished with proper wheel selection and planning)
    4. To purchase (5) wheels (as lola recommends) to have as a back-up since aftermarket manuf. often discontinue older styles
     
  9. Vuvision

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    That would ideal and was my guideline when I was in search for my wheels. However, I ended up looking for the wheel selection that looks good to me first then add spacers to make it work. Spacer is not that big of a deal, but finding the right looking wheel for me was.
     
  10. 46&2

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    I'd need an extra certificate for spacers... So I might just simply stick to 9x20 front, et from 32-35 or so (245mm tire), 10x20 rear, et around 35-40 (275mm tire).
    If staggered...
     
  11. d2145

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    Bought after market wheels

    I Actually test drove the 21" and the 19" and found that the 21" wheels were quite bumpy and stiff riding.

    so I went with after market wheels Vossen 20" CVS1

    Vossen Wheels


    I put these on and they look awesome on my Black Tesla P98D. 20x9 in the front and 20 x 10.5 in the rears.
    this ride is a compromise between the 19" and the 21".

    The 21 " wheels from the dealer was a $4500 + tax option which comes to about $4900. I went ahead and got my Vossens and Toyo tires for $3200 including tax and will sell my factory 19" wheels for about $1500. So my new set of wheels only cost me $1,700 for the upgrade.

    So instead of paying $4900 and having a bumpy and stiff ride I went this route and the ride is so much better.

    David




     
  12. mdevp

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    Let's see some pics! 20" vossens would look incredible. I don't think anyones posted 20" vossens that I've seen on this forum.
     
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    You may have a look over there:
    TFF Forum - Tesla Fahrer und Freunde Distanzscheiben
    User "Lucky Luke" may be found via google in different forums, showing his 20" vossens.
     
  14. Vuvision

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    #14 Vuvision, Jan 21, 2015
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    I've posted my 20" Vossen VFS1 on page 1, here are some indoor & outdoor lighting pics.

    • Front rim: 20x9 (+35 offset), tire: 255/40/20 Michelin PSS
    • Rear rim: 20x10.5 (+42 offset), tire: 285/35/20 Michelin PSS
    • You'll need 6mm spacers on the rear wheels.

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