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Quick Model 3 Review - The Best Car I've Ever Owned, With The Most Issues I've Ever Had In A Car.

Knightshade

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Hmmm...are you certain? Has always seemed to me they use Google Maps traffic. You can open up Google Maps on your phone and compare to the in car navigation and the traffic info always looks identical down to the minutia.


So it's actually kinda weird... the color on the traffic that displays is google.

But Tesla doesn't actually use THAT traffic data to navigate, it uses other stuff.
(It does appear the tomtom stuff is gone now though)


 
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So it's actually kinda weird... the color on the traffic that displays is google.

But Tesla doesn't actually use THAT traffic data to navigate, it uses other stuff.
(It does appear the tomtom stuff is gone now though)


Ok this definitely makes a lot of sense to me now. I don't usually use the in car navigation for routing but I do look at it or Google Maps on my phone to see where the slowdowns are.
 
Who needs spotify, Android and 'Hey Google'? Why use mobile app when you have two cards? Unspecified rattles from seemingly everywhere and signal stocks downright unresponsive! What? All vehicles differ and take time to get used to.
After about the same time of ownership of our used 3LR from Japan we love our Chichi and have made a number of minor repairs and improvements simply because I'm a fussy retired aircraft engineer. Chichi is utterly smooth and quiet on all but the roughest chip surfaces.
Are we extra lucky? Enjoy the good and very good; tolerate the rest with good homour.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but you're being willfully ignorant to the fact that Tesla still can't put a vehicle together consistently, and after nearly 4 years of Model 3 production, these continually repeated issues should have been sorted out, instead of relying on the consumer to 'get used to'. Tesla is way too focused on meeting quarterly sales goals and pushing out half-baked vehicles with garbage quality control from a 60 year old factory and relying on overworked service centers to fix their ****-ups. The build quality of every 3 I've been in is roughly at par with late 90's Kia/Hyundai.
 

CoastieM3

Helicopter Pilot / M3 Driver
Jul 24, 2021
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To each their own, but in my experience this car is junk. Feels like I bought and am driving someone’s college science project. The tech is cool, but as a car it gets a zero. I’ve had so many stupid issues and now my roof glass has a stress fracture. And my car is 4 months old with 1,000 miles. My local SC is also incompetent and slow AF. Sad to say, but this was the single worst purchase decision I have ever made.
Hot take
 

Apprunner

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Jul 2, 2019
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Trying to use this blog to learn more about the car. When I see this it makes me hesitate to buy. I am concerned about quality issues for a car that is priced similar to German luxury brands. Panel gaps and lack of 360 camera are few items.
If you are really picky about quality, this is definitely the wrong car for you...lol. For many, the overall experience outweighs the negatives but its not the perfect car for everyone. My prior Lexus had much better quality.
 

al503

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Jan 11, 2019
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My last three cars were popular sport coupe/sedans. There is no comparison in terms of performance, handling dynamics, etc., compared to the M3P. In terms of performance for the $, the M3P is a 10/10 in my book.

However, as good as the performance is, the quality is nearly as bad, IMHO. I've had too many issues including rattles, multiple trips to service for the same issues that are only fixed temporarily (steering column squeak, TPMS), issues that aren't correctible (horizontal headlight alignment) or are not considered issues by Tesla, (phone key issues, window regulators) etc...

With used car prices the way they are, I was thinking about selling this (taking an acceptable hit) and getting the same now that it has been out for over 3 years now. I had a new loaner a few weeks ago and liked what the HW3 does for the display, the charging pad, basic AP, etc... But, it also had the same rear seat rattle that mine did (until I fixed it, for the most part.)

With all that said, I don't know what I'm going to do in terms of keeping/getting a new M3P or a different make. The performance washes away a lot of the sins but not all of them. One thing seems to be certain about quality being hit or miss (from the posts here and one of my best friends, who bought his LR a few months after me who's had ~1/3 of the issues that I've had...)
 

PNWLeccy

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Jul 11, 2019
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I have a 2018 LR RWD and love the car but I've had about ~30 service appointments for various things over the last 2.5 years. All of the issues are minor and mostly related to fit and finish so they didn't prevent me from driving the car but it's very frustrating to always be fixing little issues.

But, it also had the same rear seat rattle that mine did (until I fixed it, for the most part.)

My biggest annoyances with the car has been all the creaks, buzzing, and rattles. I've spent an insane amount of time trying to fix all of these but still have a persistent rear passenger side rattle/buzz. I've tried quite a few things but what was your fix for that @al503 ?

I'm hoping the new MYLR has much better build quality but I have to admit I was a bit disheartened when I test drove one (69XXX VIN) and there was a loud rattle coming from the rear. I'd literally give up some features for a quieter cabin but Tesla seems to really struggle with that.
 

Apprunner

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Jul 2, 2019
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It sounds like some owners have had really negative experiences. My only issue was that the weather stripping was bad on a door from the factory and the FM module went out in the first month of ownership. Other than that and a couple persistent rattles (i gave up fixing those), its been great. Overall quality is okay...reminds me of a GM product but certainly not luxurious. Overall, the total cost of ownership and the ability to smoke almost anything from a dig are worth the other issues for me :D
 

al503

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Jan 11, 2019
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I have a 2018 LR RWD and love the car but I've had about ~30 service appointments for various things over the last 2.5 years.
Oh my. I'm right around 10 visits but I've been bundling/waiting for more than one or two issues to crop up before each visit.

In terms of the fix for the rear seat back, I believe there are a couple of threads on this. I put some adhesive rubber furniture pads to act as spacers between the top of the seat backs and the frame where the seatbacks latch in. That helped but didn't solve it completely. I then took some leftover felt tape that I got for the B pillar seat belt height adjustment covers and wrapped the actual square metal latches. That helped for a while but now it seems like the entire rear decklid is rattling. (I can push the decklid down and it seems to adhere to something for a split second before popping loose. A heavy sandbag on it stops that rattle.) Not sure how I'm going to figure that one out. Since I'm thinking about selling and replacing, I might just live with it.
 
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Fernand

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Some people have had bad luck. My experience (a late 2018 Midrange M3) has been very good. It's the best car I've ever had in every way. My only complaint is that it's not more free of road noise. I'd prefer if it was, but it's not. And it's not something that's primary for me compared to the positives. But then again, I wasn't expecting a coddling cushioned old-folks-mobile. It's a lean, low to the ground, sports sedan, and my car hasn't had anything wrong with it. No misaligned stuff, everything works fine.

I used to lean on the display to do everything, but now I use mostly voice commands. The voice commands aren't elaborate, but they OK. If I ask for say hardware stores, it shows them with hours of operation, I tap on one, and it navigates there. On music requests it takes more tries, but it's usable.

I wonder how this works. Some people seem to add up a bunch of assembly and ergonomics flaws, and end up saying it's a POS. Which surprises me no end. Is it just a matter of the sheer count of their panel gaps and squeaks reaching critical mass, or their very high standards, or their desire for a more padded cushmobile, or just personality/irritability/resentment/anger? Or maybe people who don't use the automation/autopilot/NOA, that you can't get on any other vehicle, who treat it strictly as a regular car, and so they focus on build details?
 
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CoastieM3

Helicopter Pilot / M3 Driver
Jul 24, 2021
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I think some of you are taking for granted that the other auto manufacturers you're comparing Tesla with have had many, many decades to sort these types of issues out.

Tesla doesn't make a perfect car (no one does), but if I could have any car in the world, it'd be the one I have (M3LR).
Exactly. Other companies deliver cars with issues all of the time. My previous car was a new 2017 Volvo S60. It had more delivery issues than the M3 I picked up in September.

Some of it is luck.
 

PNWLeccy

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Jul 11, 2019
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In terms of the fix for the rear seat back, I believe there are a couple of threads on this. I put some adhesive rubber furniture pads to act as spacers between the top of the seat backs and the frame where the seatbacks latch in. That helped but didn't solve it completely. I then took some leftover felt tape that I got for the B pillar seat belt height adjustment covers and wrapped the actual square metal latches. That helped for a while but now it seems like the entire rear decklid is rattling. (I can push the decklid down and it seems to adhere to something for a split second before popping loose. A heavy sandbag on it stops that rattle.) Not sure how I'm going to figure that one out. Since I'm thinking about selling and replacing, I might just live with it.
Looks like we've tried the same things. I have the same suspicion that rear deck lid is the problem. I've lifted it up to see if anything was loose and sound deaden the metal but it didn't help much. When I push down I hear on the rear deck it sounds like the adhesive has failed and makes a crunching sound as it sticks/unsticks to the metal beneath.

I've also mostly given up on fixing it after trying ~10 different things since I'm upgrading to a MY. I really hope the build quality is a lot better now.
 
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