Quick question - CCS Adaptor for US Model 3

[jebinc]

I quickly scanned many lengthy CCS threads and understand the discussion has been ongoing for a long time. Can someone just summarize current status? Does a CCS to Telsa adaptor exist for US Model 3's? If not, has anyone heard if and when it might be available? Thank you for your patience.

 

[miimura]

It does not exist yet. However, if they do make it available, it will likely be a relatively small passive adapter since the Model 3 likely has all the communication hardware already integrated. This is deduced from the native CCS port on the European Model 3.

 

[jebinc]

It does not exist yet. However, if they do make it available, it will likely be a relatively small passive adapter since the Model 3 likely has all the communication hardware already integrated. This is deduced from the native CCS port on the European Model 3.

Agreed, it should be like the "J" adaptor already provided and not cost $450! Thanks for the reply!

 

[miimura]

Agreed, it should be like the "J" adaptor already provided and not cost $450! Thanks for the reply!

It should be more or less like the European CCS adapter for Model S / X shown below, but with CCS Combo-1 socket on one side instead of Combo-2 and the Tesla North American plug on the other instead of the modified Type-2.

 

[pdx_m3s]

I kind of doubt we'll ever see a U.S. Tesla -> CCS Combo 1 adapter. Look how long it took Tesla to allow the CHAdeMO adapter, which was purely done in software (No designing/manufacturing a new adapter)? Plus, most non-Tesla DC fast chargers in U.S. have both CCS and CHAdeMO.

 

[miimura]

I kind of doubt we'll ever see a U.S. Tesla -> CCS Combo 1 adapter. Look how long it took Tesla to allow the CHAdeMO adapter, which was purely done in software (No designing/manufacturing a new adapter)? Plus, most non-Tesla DC fast chargers in U.S. have both CCS and CHAdeMO.

Tesla recently made a statement that they would support "all compelling charging networks". To me, this means that they eventually have to support 150kW CCS in North America. To me, that is much more compelling than 50kW CHAdeMO. North America is just getting the CHAdeMO support on Model 3 because they had to do it for Japan. When Japan gets high power CHAdeMO broadly installed in the field, Tesla will release a new adapter with higher power limits too.

 

[ucmndd]

Tesla recently made a statement that they would support "all compelling charging networks".

I strongly advise you against making any future predictions based on Tesla statements about the future.

 

[jebinc]

Tesla recently made a statement that they would support "all compelling charging networks". To me, this means that they eventually have to support 150kW CCS in North America. To me, that is much more compelling than 50kW CHAdeMO. North America is just getting the CHAdeMO support on Model 3 because they had to do it for Japan. When Japan gets high power CHAdeMO broadly installed in the field, Tesla will release a new adapter with higher power limits too.

Agreed. Besides, who wants to pay $450 for a CHAdeMO “low power” adapter when the M3 CCS adapter should be similar in cost to the “J” adapter - as the M3 already has the CCS logic and hardware from the EU adaptation.

 

[miimura]

Agreed. Besides, who wants to pay $450 for a CHAdeMO “low power” adapter when the M3 CCS adapter should be similar in cost to the “J” adapter - as the M3 already has the CCS logic and hardware from the EU adaptation.

Someone who would really benefit from it today and can't wait around for the CCS adapter that will come on "Elon time".

 

[jebinc]

Someone who would really benefit from it today and can't wait around for the CCS adapter that will come on "Elon time".

“Electrify America” stations are popping up everywhere - including Walmart parking lots near me/you.

 

[pdx_m3s]

Tesla recently made a statement that they would support "all compelling charging networks". To me, this means that they eventually have to support 150kW CCS in North America. To me, that is much more compelling than 50kW CHAdeMO. North America is just getting the CHAdeMO support on Model 3 because they had to do it for Japan. When Japan gets high power CHAdeMO broadly installed in the field, Tesla will release a new adapter with higher power limits too.

Lots of assumptions here. Tesla says a lot of things. I’m not holding my breath.

 

[wenkan]

If the European CCS adapter is purely passive, it is possible that someone reverse engineering it to make a third party adapter fit America charging port? Mainly needed knowledge should be difference between Tesla NA and EU charging port.

 

[miimura]

I’m not holding my breath.

Nobody should hold their breath for any future accessory from Tesla. Blue is not a flattering skin color.

People also bought Tesla vehicles based on "coming soon" Supercharger sites that they needed. That didn't go well either.

If the European CCS adapter is purely passive, it is possible that someone reverse engineering it to make a third party adapter fit America charging port? Mainly needed knowledge should be difference between Tesla NA and EU charging port.

Anybody can make whatever mechanical adapter they want. However, that won't magically make the car talk the CCS protocol. That has to be turned on in the vehicle firmware.

 

[miimura]

“Electrify America” stations are popping up everywhere - including Walmart parking lots near me/you.

I personally don't care about the Walmart near me. I want them at the Walmart in the small town along the route to "grandma's house".

By the way, that's an argument for the CCS adapter, not so much for the existing CHAdeMO adapter. There is only one CHAdeMO enabled charger each EA site while there are 4-10 CCS enabled chargers per site. The chances of the CHAdeMO being occupied or broken are much higher than CCS. The eventual CCS solution should also be capable of at least double the charging speed.

 

[darth_vad3r]

I kind of doubt we'll ever see a U.S. Tesla -> CCS Combo 1 adapter. Look how long it took Tesla to allow the CHAdeMO adapter, which was purely done in software (No designing/manufacturing a new adapter)? Plus, most non-Tesla DC fast chargers in U.S. have both CCS and CHAdeMO.

But the new ones from Electrify America have one CHAdeMO stall and 4-10 CCS stalls

 

[pdx_m3s]

But the new ones from Electrify America have one CHAdeMO stall and 4-10 CCS stalls

Didn’t know that! I wish EA would put chargers where they’re actually needed... along long distance routes in sparsely populated areas (like Tesla), but I guess that doesn’t pencil out economically... yet. We seem to have an oversupply of urban chargers and an undersupply of rural chargers.

 

[darth_vad3r]

Didn’t know that! I wish EA would put chargers where they’re actually needed... along long distance routes in sparsely populated areas (like Tesla), but I guess that doesn’t pencil out economically... yet. We seem to have an oversupply of urban chargers and an undersupply of rural chargers.

Well what’s one person's “urban” may be another person’s “fill in the gap between Superchargers on a road trip” location. I wouldn’t mind stopping on a road trip at a Walmart for some snacks or whatever.

If relying on CHAdeMO it would suck to be behind a local short-range Leaf driver shopping at Walmart though

CCS would be awesome to give extra coverage to Teslas. CHAdeMO is “okay”.

For truly remote locations either would be fine, since there would be no locals

 

[pdx_m3s]

CCS would be awesome to give extra coverage to Teslas. CHAdeMO is “okay”.

Agreed. Hopefully Tesla releases an adapter. However, their default position is generally the ‘walled garden’ approach until overwhelmingly convinced otherwise.

 

[darth_vad3r]

Hmmm... Walmart past Hillsboro and Sherwood both seem to have 4 ports: 3 CCS, 1 CHAdeMO.

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I had assumed the 4th stall was CHAdeMO and CCS, letting you get “CCS’ed” out of the CHAdeMO ... but maybe that’s not how it works?
... or PlugShare is wrong.

These seem like useful locations on the way to the OR coast if I’m heading down I-5 from Canada. It just makes it so I can skip one last WA SC that might be next to fast food only, and get a last charge in while buying some groceries before heading to Lincoln City or something like that.

I’m hopeful for a NA CCS adapter! I’d pay to rent a CHAdeMO adapter for a trip but wouldn’t buy one since I see CCS as the future and more of them available (and the adapter might fit in the glovebox and cost less )

 

[miimura]

Hmmm... Walmart past Hillsboro and Sherwood both seem to have 4 ports: 3 CCS, 1 CHAdeMO.

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I had assumed the 4th stall was CHAdeMO and CCS, letting you get “CCS’ed” out of the CHAdeMO ... but maybe that’s not how it works?
... or PlugShare is wrong.

These seem like useful locations on the way to the OR coast if I’m heading down I-5 from Canada. It just makes it so I can skip one last WA SC that might be next to fast food only, and get a last charge in while buying some groceries before heading to Lincoln City or something like that.

I’m hopeful for a NA CCS adapter! I’d pay to rent a CHAdeMO adapter for a trip but wouldn’t buy one since I see CCS as the future and more of them available (and the adapter might fit in the glovebox and cost less )

Yes, being CCS'ed out of the CHAdeMO stall is a real thing that can happen. The $1 per session fee will also make people reluctant to move over to a pure CCS station unless you pay them to move.