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Discussion in 'Model 3' started by chronopc, Aug 10, 2017.
If I'm averaging 75 on the highway, what range should I expect from the short-range battery?
Lots of other factors will play in too. Level ground, uphill, downhill? Ambient temp? Headwind or tailwind? Charged to 100%? Could swing the range higher or lower by quite a bit in some cases.
What about with 80% battery level on a fairly flat highway with the AC on with minimal to no wind.
from my personal experience, with my P85, im probably losing somewhere between 15-20% because i am driving 75-80mph and running AC all the time.
Thanks. Long-Range it is.
You also need to account for elevation and rain among other factors.
My guess, assuming all factors starting at 80% and dropping to about 10% is 140-150 miles max.
75 mph on the highway in lower temps with some grade changes could easily take the battery down to 150 miles, possibly less. That's also the range on a brand new battery. Battery will lose at least 1% of max capacity per year through normal use.
I think that short range is a great option for someone who needs a short range commuter and errand runner.
The reason I'm asking is that I plan on doing frequent drives from San Francisco to Los Angeles to see my parents. It seems like with the SR I will need to stop at least 2 times to charge and with the LR I can probably get away with only stopping once.
Do you have a philosophical objection to SC use ?
You start out with ~ 90 more miles of range. If a SC adds 3.5- 4.0 miles a minute to a SR car, you save ~ 25 minutes travel time each way to gain those miles, and then some more time additional SC stop since the LR charges up to ~ 40% faster.
An answer to your OP
Probably enough to get to the next supercharger... is how I look at it. I also look at it from a 'time behind the wheel' perspective: ~2-hours worth of nonstop driving. If you charge to 100%, as you typically do for long distance trips, and with some speed moderation, you would likely achieve just over 200 miles of range.
I think the time savings is worth it for me to get the LR. There's nothing wrong with stopping at the SC, but I like having the option not to.
This depends on person driving style.
My Model S says EPA 259 miles but I get nearly 300 miles.
My Model X says EPA 295 miles but I average out 335 miles per 98.4 kwh cycles..
So if EPA calculation is 220 miles. I can expect about 250 miles at least for base.
This makes the Model 3 a really good car.
So long as your 310 mile battery choice does not delay my receipt of a 220 mile battery choice, both Elon and I applaud your decision.
@chronopc. Don't forget about degradation. See my message here.
I have a philosophical objection to stopping every 2 hours when driving and spending 45 minutes recharging the battery.
Short range? Uh... Honda just released a brand new design EV with 80 miles range. There are very few EVs with more than 150 miles of range. 220 miles is not short range. 220 is over double the range of most EV models. The Leaf is still 107 miles as of today.
You'll probably have to stop twice with the long range as well. I drive my P85D from the Bay Area to LA pretty often and I make at LEAST two stops, depending on how fast I'm driving (I5). This is with the battery fully charged when I start.
I wouldn't compare to a P85 without regard to his tires. 21 inch rims with performance tires are a range killer.
Next a S is less aerodynamic so it will get hit more by fast speeds. This difference is probably minor.
But here is a thought. $80 more to lease (WAG). If you make the trip every 3 months, it is worth $240 to skip the supercharger?
I have a 70D. I have wanted more range about 5 times. Never made a huge difference those 5 times but I did slow to 68 from 75 on a long trip. I did take back roads that added 5 min once. These are the kind of sacrifices. When I leased, it was $170 a month difference. So my total sacrifice was less than an hour and for a 3 year lease, I saved $6k. I have a year left so I shouldn't say too much yet.
The acceleration difference was the other issue. At the time, it was a full second in the 0-60. But it was still a big jump in lease payments.
Stopping twice with a LR might be avoided by going 74 instead of 78 - although I am not from CA so I don't know that for sure.
Wow! Are you in the slow lane doing 55? LOL.