reality check: 328i, 335xi performance vs. model 3. how fast is 'fast'?

[larmor]

But there is no Nürburgring, 28km high speed track, between home & work for most folks

Or b/w home and dropping kiddos off to school....

 

[yesup]

Hey guys, please ignore this "BMW ///M3" poster - even though he is a fellow Torontonian.

He is a typical troll, signing up in this forum just for the purpose putting down Tesla.

No matter how much you can prove him wrong, they typically won't quit.

 

[ohmman]

mod note: If this turns into a duplicate of the other BMW thread, I will be tempted to merge them. Hopefully content can stay separate and commentary can remain civil and informed.

 

[Zoomit]

We already had this conversation about the 328i and the Model 3 acceleration: RWD Model 3 acceleration vs <$40k entry luxury sedans

 

[Craig9080]

reality check:
model 3 = concept car, there are no specs on a production car
bmw you've offered are gassers, there is no comparison.

Although I don't like that a troll (BMW ///M3) has gotten everyone here worked up, this argument is not helpful. Gassers are precisely to what you should compare a Model 3. The whole purpose of the Model 3 is to bring electric motoring to the masses and the "masses" are currently driving around in ICE powered cars. Up to this point the EV crowd had either been those with the cash to get a Model S or X, or the die-hards that bought the less expensive models, and to be honest, that latter group has created a stigma around electric motoring that makes Tesla's job even harder. We are taking ICE sales with the Model 3 on a scale not before seen and it is only prudent to compare the Model 3 to it's ICE competitors on all fronts...and with all information we have at this time it trounces them on all fronts.

 

[yesup]

mod note: If this turns into a duplicate of the other BMW thread, I will be tempted to merge them. Hopefully content can stay separate and commentary can remain civil and informed.

I think you should simply close the thread, and if I have a say, delete it.
It serves no purpose other than OP's trolling.

 

[pinski]

But it's fun to post videos of BMW M-cars losing to Teslas.

 

[gregincal]

get a 328i, do ED save 6%, plus discounts pretty sure it will be under 35k.
5.2s 0-60 good luck to base model 3.

I'm quite confident the Model 3 will be smoking the BMW at stoplights around the world. Again they are going to be something slower than 6.3 seconds in real life (unless you are a total asshat who loves revving their engine). The base Model 3 will definitely be faster.

 

[Yuri_G]

2015 BMW 335i xDrive - Instrumented Test
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 105 mph

2016 BMW 328i Automatic - Instrumented Test
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.9 sec @ 99 mph

well model 3 is not out yet, so the best comparison will be against 70, and 70d.

70d:
Car and Driver
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 101 mph

no data to back up 70, but 70 will be slower than D

the number doesn't lie, 70d barely matches 2016 b48 328i, let alone catch 335xi. now 335xi is no longer in production, 340xi is even faster.

next gen G series 3 class will be using carbon core frame, yes it has a mixture of carbon fiber and aluminum. being faster and lighter than the current 340i is given.

bottom line: stop saying model 3 is fast, when you have no idea what the competitors are performing.

How's the mpg on those BMWs?

 

[UnitaryExecutive]

I'm not sure that you can compare all models of 3 series (340, M3) to a base Model 3. I think a base Model 3 is going to be equivalent to a 320, AWD to a 328i, and there will probably be a performance version to compete with the 340/M3.

My last 2 cars have been 328 and 335's and after driving a MS, I've told the BMW dealer multiple times that I'm only considering a Tesla for my next car. If for some reason I can't get below a 5.3s 0-60 time with upgrades, I may reconsider a MS.

 

[S'toon]

any awd car at that price range eats p90d for lunch and breakfast plus dinner.
and dance circles around it on track.

2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 vs. 2015 Nissan GT-R NISMO, 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S - Comparison Tests

0-100mph 15.8 sec where as p90d does in 21.8s not even on the same field.

Not. Even. Close.

Didn't do any research, did you?

 

[stopcrazypp]

Didn't we have another thread that is pretty much exactly the same chest thumping about the 3 series? As noted in that one, isn't the 320i the base model? And that one is a lot slower. Also BMW quotes much worse 0-60 numbers (5.8 for 328i). The numbers quoted in the C&D tests are with launch control.

 

[PTADO]

Every forum has THIS guy, I swear to... *walks in, turns around, walks out, closes door*

 

[larmor]

Add in link for MX towing alfa romeo vs. alfa romeo...

 

[JamesL]

I'm not sure that you can compare all models of 3 series (340, M3) to a base Model 3. I think a base Model 3 is going to be equivalent to a 320, AWD to a 328i, and there will probably be a performance version to compete with the 340/M3.

My last 2 cars have been 328 and 335's and after driving a MS, I've told the BMW dealer multiple times that I'm only considering a Tesla for my next car. If for some reason I can't get below a 5.3s 0-60 time with upgrades, I may reconsider a MS.

A fully loaded (Ludicrous) Model 3 COULD be faster than a Ludicrous Model S, as the 3 is lighter and has less drag. This is assuming that Tesla makes a performance version of the Model 3 which can put out similar horsepower.

 

[McRat]

2015 BMW 335i xDrive - Instrumented Test
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 105 mph

2016 BMW 328i Automatic - Instrumented Test
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.9 sec @ 99 mph

well model 3 is not out yet, so the best comparison will be against 70, and 70d.

70d:
Car and Driver
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 101 mph

no data to back up 70, but 70 will be slower than D

the number doesn't lie, 70d barely matches 2016 b48 328i, let alone catch 335xi. now 335xi is no longer in production, 340xi is even faster.

next gen G series 3 class will be using carbon core frame, yes it has a mixture of carbon fiber and aluminum. being faster and lighter than the current 340i is given.

bottom line: stop saying model 3 is fast, when you have no idea what the competitors are performing.

Cough.

Any EV is quicker in traffic than a ICE with identical 0-60 mph times. No transmission, RPM does not affect output, flat HP curve. Try it. A 10 second EV will trounce an 8 second ICE car in traffic all day long.

I get a kick out of BMW guys who don't believe BMW is past their prime. You know a lowly 2016 Camaro thumps nearly everything BMW makes right? And you really shouldn't play with the ATS-V or CTS-V. The last straw is the CT6 which will put the 700 series to bed.

In any case, the BMW i3 will be competing with the Model 3. Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight...

 

[BMW ///M3]

just like christopher columbus discovered the Americas in 1492, and brought clarity and advancement to that land. opened the eyes of many people who never seen the other side.

* cough* RPM does not affect output

Cough.

Any EV is quicker in traffic than a ICE with identical 0-60 mph times. No transmission, RPM does not affect output, flat HP curve. Try it. A 10 second EV will trounce an 8 second ICE car in traffic all day long.

I get a kick out of BMW guys who don't believe BMW is past their prime. You know a lowly 2016 Camaro thumps nearly everything BMW makes right? And you really shouldn't play with the ATS-V or CTS-V. The last straw is the CT6 which will put the 700 series to bed.

In any case, the BMW i3 will be competing with the Model 3. Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight...

 

[wallet.dat]

Not. Even. Close.

Didn't do any research, did you?

Did you mean to post a different video? That one shows the Z06 beating the P90DL.

 

[pinski]

Since I haven't been able to find a video of a P90D + Ludicrous putting the hurt on a BMW, here's a video showing how much quicker it is than a P85D + Insane.

 

[proven]

Having driven a Model S for the past two years I can say that the 0-60 time really doesn't mean much to me. However, the difference between our old BMW and the S is all about instant torque and what that means for every day driving. I will never go back to the BMW (or any ICE), as much as I loved that car.