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Rear-ended @ 70+ mph in my Model S

brkaus

Well-Known Member
Jul 8, 2014
7,646
6,178
Austin, TX
What's that? Would you elaborate?
Internet search shows lots of matches. I didn’t post one as many are ads.

The bottom line is -

Two identical used cars are for sale. One wrecked and repaired (car fax confirmed) and one not damaged.

A used car buyer (or trade in dealer) is going to offer less do the damaged one. Even though claims are made that it’s repaired “as good as new”.

That reduction in value is knows as “diminished value”.
 

Gb1994

New Member
Apr 27, 2019
1
0
Birmingham
Sorry this happened, but glad you are ok. Were there other cars directly in front of you? If not, would the Model 3 automatically accelerate and lane change to help avoid the impending collision? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I am new to the world of Teslas. Regardless, I'm just glad no one was seriously injured.
 

Big Earl

bnkwupt
Jul 12, 2017
4,938
8,834
Springfield, VA
Last night I was rear-ended by a HOV Lane Cheater. She hit me at over 70mph.


I was traveling at 58mph, and then slowed to 43 before impact. As you can see in the video she came in HOT, and didn't even attempt to break, we estimated her speed to be in excess of 70mph. The only positive note to this is that I suffered minor injuries mostly minor whiplash and some arm muscle pains. Doctors say 2-4 days to get back to life in full.

I'm not a crash investigator, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express before.

Upon reviewing your video frame-by-frame, I'd estimate the difference in speed at the time of impact to be between 15 and 20 MPH. Prior to the incident, her speed appears to be matched to yours at just under 60 MPH. As you slow down, she clearly does not. It seems that your dash cam speed display lags your actual speed by a few frames in the video, making it appear as if she sped up. Comparing your change in speed to traffic around you, the lag in the display becomes clear. There's no way she was going 70 MPH unless she floored it at the same time you started slowing down.

I think your travel speed at impact was about 30-35 MPH and hers was about 50 MPH, as she appears to hit the brakes moments before, scrubbing off a bit of speed.
 

Droschke

Active Member
Mar 8, 2015
2,405
4,307
Future
Internet search shows lots of matches. I didn’t post one as many are ads.

The bottom line is -

Two identical used cars are for sale. One wrecked and repaired (car fax confirmed) and one not damaged.

A used car buyer (or trade in dealer) is going to offer less do the damaged one. Even though claims are made that it’s repaired “as good as new”.

That reduction in value is knows as “diminished value”.

Thanks for explaining it. So, that's something the insurance companies would reimburse you for but it requires you file a claim for it?
 

brkaus

Well-Known Member
Jul 8, 2014
7,646
6,178
Austin, TX
Thanks for explaining it. So, that's something the insurance companies would reimburse you for but it requires you file a claim for it?
My understanding is the laws vary greatly by state.

I also do not believe your own insurance company will ever reimburse you for DV if you were at fault. They will pay to repair your car, but not DV.
 
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JMG

Member
Feb 26, 2015
386
263
NE Texas
Thanks for explaining it. So, that's something the insurance companies would reimburse you for but it requires you file a claim for it?

It's not something they typically will say, "Oh hey, and here's some extra for your diminished value." You typically have to make a demand for it, then they might either ask you for "proof" or make their own appraisal from a third party. It's then up to you to make your case. I've gone through this twice and collected both times. Your case for DV is helped by the newer the vehicle, the less miles on it, the more the damage, and the more expensive it is. Of course, like mentioned earlier, the idea is that your car will take a hit with resale value since it's been in an accident.

A diminished value appraisal will cost a couple hundred dollars, but it helps your case. I used this guy twice and collected on both times.
 

azpyroguy

Member
Mar 23, 2017
28
45
Surprise, Az
It's not something they typically will say, "Oh hey, and here's some extra for your diminished value." You typically have to make a demand for it, then they might either ask you for "proof" or make their own appraisal from a third party. It's then up to you to make your case. I've gone through this twice and collected both times. Your case for DV is helped by the newer the vehicle, the less miles on it, the more the damage, and the more expensive it is. Of course, like mentioned earlier, the idea is that your car will take a hit with resale value since it's been in an accident.

A diminished value appraisal will cost a couple hundred dollars, but it helps your case. I used this guy twice and collected on both times.

I have already reached out to the DV person I have dealt with in the past.
 

azdryheat

Member
Jul 6, 2016
404
579
Mesa, AZ
Still dealing with insurance from our accident in Mesa with our brand new 3. It was totaled and they paid for a new one, but still dealing with liability. I think it's very possible yours might be totaled. Especially if you mention you will want DV.
 

azpyroguy

Member
Mar 23, 2017
28
45
Surprise, Az
Sorry this happened, but glad you are ok. Were there other cars directly in front of you? If not, would the Model 3 automatically accelerate and lane change to help avoid the impending collision? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I am new to the world of Teslas. Regardless, I'm just glad no one was seriously injured.

There were cars in front of me about 300ft or so. I had not engaged AP yet as I only entered the freeway less than 2 miles previously and only shortly before got into my lane so I was still setting up to run in TACC mode.

Not sure about the M3, mine is an S with EAP and FSD... and there was no place for it to go if it wanted to the other lanes were packed full.
 

azpyroguy

Member
Mar 23, 2017
28
45
Surprise, Az
Still dealing with insurance from our accident in Mesa with our brand new 3. It was totaled and they paid for a new one, but still dealing with liability. I think it's very possible yours might be totaled. Especially if you mention you will want DV.

Given the amount, if damages I have listed, its most likely totaled. I will demand that I wont keep a car that has so-called fixed frame damage they are never the same. My dually got hit 12 years ago at a stop light at 50mph, and I agreed to have it fixed, it has never been the same since then.
 

MichaelP90DL

Active Member
Apr 19, 2019
1,550
1,555
Lancaster, CA
Last night I was rear-ended by a HOV Lane Cheater. She hit me at over 70mph.


I was traveling at 58mph, and then slowed to 43 before impact. As you can see in the video she came in HOT, and didn't even attempt to break, we estimated her speed to be in excess of 70mph. The only positive note to this is that I suffered minor injuries mostly minor whiplash and some arm muscle pains. Doctors say 2-4 days to get back to life in full.

Damages:
Frame Damage - Rear frame is coming out of the back bumper, she hit that and what caused her to cue-ball off me.
Quarter Panel has great big dent and creases.
Lift Gate is Bent
Rear Bumper is destroyed
Both Drivers side doors stick and creak now when opening and closing.
Diags report an air leak in the suspension and camera issues.
Door lines are no longer straight and even.
Lift Gate lines are no longer straight and even
The entire left side is pushed forward some causing the lines on body panels to be misaligned.
Has vibration and pulls to left while driving.

This does not include the damage that is hiding underneath. I have no idea what's there.

My general thoughts have me thinking it's totaled as repairs would be many months, and it would never be the same.

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Totally sucks, man. Sorry to hear. Best of luck with repairs, both to your car and to you.
 

azpyroguy

Member
Mar 23, 2017
28
45
Surprise, Az
I'm not a crash investigator, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express before.

Upon reviewing your video frame-by-frame, I'd estimate the difference in speed at the time of impact to be between 15 and 20 MPH. Prior to the incident, her speed appears to be matched to yours at just under 60 MPH. As you slow down, she clearly does not. It seems that your dash cam speed display lags your actual speed by a few frames in the video, making it appear as if she sped up. Comparing your change in speed to traffic around you, the lag in the display becomes clear. There's no way she was going 70 MPH unless she floored it at the same time you started slowing down.

I think your travel speed at impact was about 30-35 MPH and hers was about 50 MPH, as she appears to hit the brakes moments before, scrubbing off a bit of speed.

I just pulled the video from my in-side car cam.

I was slowed to exactly 26mph at the time of impact, and she hit me hard enough to push me up to 34mph. To force a car to speed up 8mph while under regen braking is a hell of a hit. The time stamp is off on that camera, but you can tell by the music, my "arrrgh" and the crunch, its the same time. That camera does not have any GPS or Wifi on it to keep it synced.

 

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