My life would be amazingly better if I had 3 days to undo any decisions I didn't like. I'm sure I would have returned many wives, children, stocks, poker hands and Teslas over the past few years if that was an option.
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People act like they wouldn't be pissed they just spent $120K on a car that will be essentially outdated in a month. Not that it wouldn't be a great car or usable, but when you buy a 'last years model' especially one with a redesign or major feature changes coming, it typically comes at a major discount from traditional carmakers.
I understand that Tesla is pushing the envelope and changes will be occurring all the time, but Tesla should really be more transparent about it. If they had given 6 months notice of Tesla Vision before manufactuing cars with it, they would not have unhappy customers..it's not as though there are competitors on their tail with respect to non-lidar autonomy that is going to beat them to production on their ideas.
Tesla should take care of you in some way -- offer you an exchange for the new model, offer you $5K off your next Tesla, or transition you to a lease instead of finance so you can get an AP2 model next year. Keep at it!
Tesla should take care of you in some way -- offer you an exchange for the new model, offer you $5K off your next Tesla, or transition you to a lease instead of finance so you can get an AP2 model next year. Keep at it!
All due respect...When you have to follow the CEO and piece together hints from interviews and tweets, that isn't notice.They DID give notice!
Do i need to...really? a manufacturer has plenty of power to offer a credit (heck, they offer $1000 off for referrals) or take a car back, regardless of what you may think. If part of reinventing the auto industry is treating customers who spend $100K+ like crap, you won't last long.You need to go back and read why these ideas are not feasible
You don't ... that's why I pasted at least two news articles. Reading the news does help keep up with current events and is helpful when researching a future purchase.All due respect...When you have to follow the CEO and piece together hints from interviews and tweets, that isn't notice.
You don't ... that's why I pasted at least two news articles. Reading the news does help keep up with current events and is helpful when researching a future purchase.
With regards to technology, checking the news before a purchase is essential!
All due respect...When you have to follow the CEO and piece together hints from interviews and tweets, that isn't notice.
Do i need to...really? a manufacturer has plenty of power to offer a credit (heck, they offer $1000 off for referrals) or take a car back, regardless of what you may think. If part of reinventing the auto industry is treating customers who spend $100K+ like crap, you won't last long.
People act like they wouldn't be pissed they just spent $120K on a car that will be essentially outdated in a month. Not that it wouldn't be a great car or usable, but when you buy a 'last years model' especially one with a redesign or major feature changes coming, it typically comes at a major discount from traditional carmakers.
I understand that Tesla is pushing the envelope and changes will be occurring all the time, but Tesla should really be more transparent about it. If they had given 6 months notice of Tesla Vision before manufactuing cars with it, they would not have unhappy customers..it's not as though there are competitors on their tail with respect to non-lidar autonomy that is going to beat them to production on their ideas.
Tesla should take care of you in some way -- offer you an exchange for the new model, offer you $5K off your next Tesla, or transition you to a lease instead of finance so you can get an AP2 model next year. Keep at it!
Maybe I should say you might "want" to if you don't want to sound uneducated and illogical. Is that better?. It's not about whether they have the power to do something. It's about delivering what the customer ordered and providing a ROI for shareholders. Not about taking millions in losses to appease a few narcissistic customers who feel owed something by the world simply by being on the planet. I would ALMOST see the viewpoint some of the whiners share if they came out with a substantially improved item at the same price but in this case there are owners who got AP1.0 without paying for it (and people who had just taken delivery did EXACTLY what these recent AP1.0 buyers are doing now). Also, there are current on order cars that will get AP2.0 hardware so they can upgrade if wanted when they did not order it, so you're welcome lucky people. The problem is there has to be a cutoff and going back to cars already delivered does not make sense because there will always be a group just before whatever that date is that will feel wronged. The logical thing is to do what they have done. If you ordered a car with AP1.0 and took delivery of it, you got what you ordered and paid for so done deal. I got what I paid for 3 years ago in my model S and when newer features came out shortly afterwards I did not think for I was owed those improvements or a discount of some sort. Put on your big boy pants and get over it people.
You don't ... that's why I pasted at least two news articles. Reading the news does help keep up with current events and is helpful when researching a future purchase.
Again, educate yourself. This has been discussed. See Osborne effect which was previously mentioned by a few other posters. In my business if announce a new product that is far better than the one I have for sale now it will kill sales on those current products.
If you check out the code conference interview @ 39:30 (early June)I agree somewhat...I had a good idea what was supposedly coming, but still it was speculation.
If you check out the code conference interview @ 39:30 (early June)
and also Sterling Anderson here @ 20:02 (May)
it was practically a sure bet autonomous hardware or an announcement would have been made by the end of this year.
I'm not going to feed into insults. I'm here to enjoy conversation with others interested in Tesla, not to prove myself as alpha male. If that's your goal, congratulations, you win.
This is obviously a unique situation. I'm not suggesting Tesla take back or credit any AP1 owner who is now unhappy that they'll be missing out on AP2. We're talking about a few dozen people who took delivery this week, care about AP2 and have put zero miles on their car.
While its easy for people to say that they wouldn't care if this happened to them, especially those who are so enthusiastic about Tesla, i don't think it is reality for most put in this situation.
I agree somewhat...I had a good idea what was supposedly coming, but still it was speculation.
If we were talking about an iphone that is already manufactured and sitting on a shelf, I could see your point -- but we are talking about a BUILT TO ORDER product in an industry where NOBODY is close to them. They wouldn't miss out on sales -- they would simply delay them -- and as a result they would have an opportunity for higher profit (AP2 and full autonomous at 8K vs AP1 at 3K) and have higher customer satisfaction.
End of story.
Do i need to...really? a manufacturer has plenty of power to offer a credit (heck, they offer $1000 off for referrals) or take a car back, regardless of what you may think. If part of reinventing the auto industry is treating customers who spend $100K+ like crap, you won't last long.