MacGreiner
5YJ
I'm just about to set out on a road trip with new PILOT SPORT ALL SEASON 4s. Will report back in a week.
Just a little tidbit for you all. My friend had a flat the other day and called Tesla roadside assistance. They told her they would only get the tire fixed if it was the same as the brand the car came with new, so if you don't have Michelins on the car you might be out of luck using your free roadside assistance.
I would/do run the michelin pilot sport 4s and a winter set.
I'm not a big fan of all season tires, they aren't really good at anything and if you are running winter tires anyways, may as well get a summer set and change them when the average temp is below 7c
But if you were happy with the all seasons, get some conti dws 6
I'm not a big fan of all season tires, they aren't really good at anything and if you are running winter tires anyways, may as well get a summer set and change them when the average temp is below 7c
But if you were happy with the all seasons, get some conti dws 6
Sorry but I don't see how to post a new message so it is being posted as a reply to your thread. Here is my recent experience with tires on my 2018 model 3 rwd-lr.
I am a conservative 84 year old driver, however I do a lot of driving on the back roads in the mountains of Virginia and West Va. The car came with the Michelin MXM4 acoustic. This tire was very satisfactory for me in every way except tread life. I replaced these tires at 17,750 miles. I put on a set of Continental EXTREME CONTACT DWS 06 and ran them for about 1000 miles. I told my tire supplier that the car handled better with these than it did with the MXM4 however I was not happy with the tire. The ride was rougher, noise levels on certain pavements was brutal and vehicle range was less. My supplier conveyed this to the Continental rep and he recommended that I try a set of Continental “Pure Contact IS". My dealer installed these tires and I drove them about 1200miles and was not pleased with them. They had a better ride than the DWS06 but the vehicle ride, noise and range range was not as good as the MXM4. The Continental tires did not have the accoustic foam and on certain types of pavement even at 45mph the noise level was objectionable. My tire dealer put me back on a set of Michelin MXM4 and I am happy except that my wear is indicating that I will again need replacements around 18,000 miles. On my previous vehicles, Buick Lesabre, Silverado pickup and Honda Accord I have been getting 45 to 50 K on a set of tires so it is a real disappointment to get such low mileage. Until some one comes out with a better tire I will be sticking with the MXM4.
I am a conservative 84 year old driver, however I do a lot of driving on the back roads in the mountains of Virginia and West Va. The car came with the Michelin MXM4 acoustic. This tire was very satisfactory for me in every way except tread life. I replaced these tires at 17,750 miles. I put on a set of Continental EXTREME CONTACT DWS 06 and ran them for about 1000 miles. I told my tire supplier that the car handled better with these than it did with the MXM4 however I was not happy with the tire. The ride was rougher, noise levels on certain pavements was brutal and vehicle range was less. My supplier conveyed this to the Continental rep and he recommended that I try a set of Continental “Pure Contact IS". My dealer installed these tires and I drove them about 1200miles and was not pleased with them. They had a better ride than the DWS06 but the vehicle ride, noise and range range was not as good as the MXM4. The Continental tires did not have the accoustic foam and on certain types of pavement even at 45mph the noise level was objectionable. My tire dealer put me back on a set of Michelin MXM4 and I am happy except that my wear is indicating that I will again need replacements around 18,000 miles. On my previous vehicles, Buick Lesabre, Silverado pickup and Honda Accord I have been getting 45 to 50 K on a set of tires so it is a real disappointment to get such low mileage. Until some one comes out with a better tire I will be sticking with the MXM4.
So? How was it?
I'm finding it hard to decide between the Pilot Sport All-Season 4 and the CrossClimate+. Both cost roughly the same; I have the hunch that the PS A/S 4 is slightly better in warm weather than the CC+ but the little information I've found is a bit contradictory:
TireRack test data seems to slightly favor the PS A/S 4:
- TireRack test report for Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4
- TireRack test report for Michelin CrossClimate+
- Pilot Sport A/S 4: wear 10, fuel efficiency 9, handling 8, braking 9 and comfort 9.
- Cross Climate +: wear 9, fuel efficiency 9, handling 10, braking 10 and comfort 9.
Also adding to the equation is the recent release of the CrossClimate 2 (successor to the CC+) which is not yet available for Tesla's sizes but could be soon. From their press release:
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
From the research I did the AS4 is definitely better for handling and braking in anything but heavy snow.
The CCs were better if you want an all season that can handle "real" winter, the AS4s better if you want an all season that can handle maybe light snow but mostly you just live someplace it gets below 40 degrees often enough to make the summer PS4s not a year-rounder.
The CCs were better if you want an all season that can handle "real" winter, the AS4s better if you want an all season that can handle maybe light snow but mostly you just live someplace it gets below 40 degrees often enough to make the summer PS4s not a year-rounder.
Foxtrotter
Member
I put the pilot sport AS4's on the 18" wheels on one of our LR RWD 3's about 2500 miles ago. The handling and braking feel a lot better than the stock MXM4's. The noise level is comparable depending on the pavement. At 42 psi I don't notice much difference in ride but I like a firmer ride. I haven't had them on wet pavement.
The efficiency is definitely less on the PSAS4's. I have driven the same routes almost weekly since Feb. at 77 mph on the freeway with short stretches on surface streets at the beginning and end and tracking the data on Teslafi. The last 3 months have been on the PSAS4 tires. They initially had much worse efficiency, but at this point appear to be less than 10% less efficient than the stock tires and more than 5% less efficient.
I'd get them again in a moment for the handling improvements. They also have more rubber on the sidewalls giving the wheels a little protection.
I would guess the tires are being rated within their respective classes. The PS AS4 is a different class than the CC+. Also, the TireRack data is mostly subjective, so there's going to be brand bias. I would only look at the data that is actually timed or measured. To me, the only relevant numbers are Slalom time and Lap time, braking distance and G-force, since all the others seem subjective. And even if you only look at measured data, you can't compare between one test and another test, since the surface they use has changed in 3 years, not to mention the temp the day they tested. All those things affect the results.
I would just point out the CC+ is a snow-rated tire that qualifies if you go to British Columbia in Winter.
MacGreiner
5YJ
All good news.
Eficiency hit: negligible.
Sound: Same. Negligible
Performance: Huge upgrade from OEMs. Wet weather grip compared to OEMs is night/day better
Wear: Too early to tell
I was so impressed that I will replace the tires on our other 3 with the same.
Despite what the Michelin rep gave you in terms of those numbers (which were bizarre by the way suggesting that he may have mixed up the numbers for the two tires), there's simply no way that the cross climate is a better handling and Performing tire than the Pilot Sport 4 all season. The latter tire was designed to be the best handling and best performing tire Michelin makes with snow capability. The crossclimate is actually significantly better in snow however and probably rides a little bit better too. But if you need decent snow capability and the best possible handling get the Pilot Sport. It's a successor to the Pilot Sport 3 plus which was already the best handling all season Tire around. But it was noisy and didn't ride all that well. They tried to improve all areas including snow performance in the Pilot Sport All Season 4. So if you're looking for all-weather capability and particularly performance in snow the cross climate is probably the better Tire. Otherwise go with the Pilot Sport.
If there is any question about this look at the classes and the tire sizes available for both tires. The Pilot Sport is available in a multitude of 35 and 30 series sizes, a tip-off that it's an ultra high-performance item and is classed as such by Tire Rack. The cross climate is not available in those tire sizes and is classed as a Grand Touring all-season Tire. It's a great tire but I don't think it's your best choice if performance is important.
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For what it’s worth, the last set of A/S tires I bought were for my 350Z, which is notoriously hard on tires. I put a set of General G-Max tires on and when they came off (car went full Track car), they looked almost brand new. If you’re looking for a tire that will let you put a lot of miles on it and still be somewhat decent handling wise, then you might consider these. Also a ton less expensive than anything with a Michelin logo on it (a company that makes great tires...but they are really, really, really proud of those things).
Not sure which Tire you are talking about? Could you please clarify. It's nice that you are providing feedback but it's a bit cryptic without that crucial piece of information.
Weird I’m still on the original tires and I have 36k miles on them. I’m a pretty conservative driver for the most part though.
Hey fellas. Im new here and probably resurrecting an old thread. I have a 18 lr rwd with the oem Michelin’s on with shy of 30k miles. I am looking for new tires but torn between two choices. I’m from LA and American tire depot has a buy 3 get one tire sale. Sadly Michelin isn’t Included so I’m stuck between the Bridgestone Potenza RE980AS or Continental extreme contact dws. Inputs and other recommendations would be appreciated! Thanks guys!
I’m looking for better performance compared to stock while also trying to get the most tread life out of my new tires
I’m looking for better performance compared to stock while also trying to get the most tread life out of my new tires
The DWS06 should be lower priced and longer tread life compared to the RE980AS. They will probably both lose some range compared to OEM Michelins but have more grip.
Ive seen videos where it says the bridgestone performs better on dry pavement, which I care for more since I am located in california. Any input on this? Also the treadlife on the two are fairly matched so I am just curious which would be the better tire all around. I can get the continentals for 730.00 installed and the Bridgestones for 747.00 installed so the price difference doesn't bother me.
I think the DWS06 come with a 50k tread wearout warranty IIRC.
Wearout warranty isn't amazing, but this is a UHP A/S tire so if you get a 20% discount on new tires because they wore out at 40k then I'd count that as a plus.
Conti had a better MPG rating in the tests I read, so that's a factor as well.
I don't have access to Consumer Reports, but according to this article there's several good UHP A/S alternatives:
Consumer Reports Ranks the Best UHP All-Season Tires
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