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Vendor Refresh Model S LR/Plaid : Winter Tire Option

I will try to get better pics but it is crappy outside so it may be a couple days.

This is controlled by the width of the tire and offset of the wheel. Using this calculator (https://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp?item=Wheel-Tire size comparer&sw1=285&ar1=70&bd1=17&rw1=7.5&et1=44&text1=Sample 1: Hummer H2 wheel&sw2=315&ar2=70&bd2=17&rw2=9.0&et2=12&text2=Sample 2: Honda Civic wheel)

The rears are exact same as 295/30r21. The fronts poke out 0.4" more at the tire but the rim is same as the OEM 265/35r21.

On the car I do not notice it - or at least not enough to care. My preference is to go to a 9.5 wide front and back to the 265 width keeping the offset at +40.

I like the idea of being able to rotate the tires but not sure about how even/uneven they would look.
 
I spent all day researching and I wish someone would have mentioned this: It is impossible to do a square winter setup on 2021+ Model S because of load rating.

The stock load rating on the rear tires is 107. The highest load rating you can find on a 19X9.5" tire is 104.

The only way to do a square setup is if all tires have a 107 load rating, which means the fronts have to be 19X10.5", which is wider than stock fronts, making it worse for winter.
 
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I spent all day researching and I wish someone would have mentioned this: It is impossible to do a square winter setup on 2021+ Model S because of load rating.

The stock load rating on the rear tires is 107. The highest load rating you can find on a 19X9.5" tire is 104.

The only way to do a square setup is if all tires have a 107 load rating, which means the fronts have to be 19X10.5", which is wider than stock fronts, making it worse for winter.

I put Pirelli P ZERO™ WINTER285/40R19 on all corners using stock sizes rims. They fit great. Can be used on a 9.5 to 11" wheel.

They are 107 V XL

I bought them through Costco Canada.
 
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I put Pirelli P ZERO™ WINTER285/40R19 on all corners using stock sizes rims. They fit great. Can be used on a 9.5 to 11" wheel.

They are 107 V XL

I bought them through Costco Canada.
The stock front is 255. Having 285 upfront means you have 15mm more rubber beyond the fender (throw rock and salt at the body) and 15mm of rubber closer to the suspension. The total of 30mm extra thickness is worse for winter performance than stock. Plus it kind of defeats the purpose of a square setup because you can't rotate the stock staggered wheels.
 
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The stock front is 255. Having 285 upfront means you have 15mm more rubber beyond the fender (throw rock and salt at the body) and 15mm of rubber closer to the suspension. The total of 30mm extra thickness is worse for winter performance than stock. Plus it kind of defeats the purpose of a square setup because you can't rotate the stock staggered wheels.

On 9.5" 40mm offset wheels they are actually very inboard to my liking. I did test fit the 10.5" wheel on the front, and it fit without rubbing and if I had to do it again, I would have bought 10.5" wheels all around.

Worse maybe in deep snow, but this car is severely under tired for it's weight. I will be fitting 305's all around once I get the MPP or unplugged front upper A-arms so I can get way more front camber.

If you like a car to understeer, then I guess stick with stock tires sizes. I pushed the car very hard on Saturday and the car felt great on dry very cold temps.
 
I spent all day researching and I wish someone would have mentioned this: It is impossible to do a square winter setup on 2021+ Model S because of load rating.

The stock load rating on the rear tires is 107. The highest load rating you can find on a 19X9.5" tire is 104.

The only way to do a square setup is if all tires have a 107 load rating, which means the fronts have to be 19X10.5", which is wider than stock fronts, making it worse for winter.
I don’t think the load rating is required to be that high. On the 21” Arachnids the load rating is 101 on the front and 102 in the rear on the refresh.

Also looking back the 2020 MS Arachnid package was even lower at 96/98 with a 300lbs heavier vehicle.

As long as the load rating exceeds the gross weight you should be fine. Calculate that using your door sticker / 2 for each axel.
 
I don’t think the load rating is required to be that high. On the 21” Arachnids the load rating is 101 on the front and 102 in the rear on the refresh.

Also looking back the 2020 MS Arachnid package was even lower at 96/98 with a 300lbs heavier vehicle.

As long as the load rating exceeds the gross weight you should be fine. Calculate that using your door sticker / 2 for each axel.

Good catch!! I didn't realize the load rating was so low on the 21"! That helps a lot.
 

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The stock front is 255. Having 285 upfront means you have 15mm more rubber beyond the fender (throw rock and salt at the body) and 15mm of rubber closer to the suspension. The total of 30mm extra thickness is worse for winter performance than stock. Plus it kind of defeats the purpose of a square setup because you can't rotate the stock staggered wheels.
A wider tire might be a little worse in deep snow but not much and it will be better on cold dry roads which will be most of the time for most people.
 
I switched from my OEM Arachnid 21" wheels and Summer tires to my new Winter setup. I went with Signature SV103 19x9" wheels (gloss black) and Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus 255/45ZR19.

I went with a compromise offset that Signature worked up for me so that I could have a full 4-wheel tire rotation. A shout out to Jamie for his timely and expert assistance in helping me get the wheel part of the setup in place.

The wheels look great, the offset lines up well to my eyes and the Continentals are excellent all seasons.

I forgot one minor item, the Tesla lug nuts are silver, covered by the center cap on the Arachnids.

I'll post photos when I get the black lug nut covers I ordered today.
 
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I switched from my OEM Arachnid 21" wheels and Summer tires to my new Winter setup. I went with Signature SV103 19x9" wheels (gloss black) and Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus 255/45ZR19.

I went with a compromise offset that Signature worked up for me so that I could have a full 4-wheel tire rotation. A shout out to Jamie for his timely and expert assistance in helping me get the wheel part of the setup in place.

The wheels look great, the offset lines up well to my eyes and the Continentals are excellent all seasons.

I forgot one minor item, the Tesla lug nuts are silver, covered by the center cap on the Arachnids.

I'll post photos when I get the black lug nut covers I ordered today.

Jamie seems to know his stuff. Will pick his brain in the future.

The DWS06+ are some of the best A/S tires. Would have gone that route if they had my 20" size.
 
As we are getting into winter time and more Refresh Model S being delivered to the owner, you will realize the winter tire selection could very limited + lots of headache when searching for them. Which can be true because there's no exact matching tire to match the OEM setup. Most of the time, Online tire websites won't show you the mismatch tire selection when you put in front and rear size.

It took me a lovely afternoon to gather all the possible options for the winter in variable sizes and prices. I hope this info will help the owner to decide which fits the best for their need.

No need to shop around, the link take you to exact retailer for ordering.


Feel free to leave your feedback on the specific tire if you had them on your car before (Preferred been use on high hoursepower applicaiton)

____________________________________


**Option does not include SUV tire or Run Flat

**Price on the website subject to change without notice

** I'm not affiliate with any of the retailer below.

By Jamie @ Signature Wheel
_____________________________________________________________

OEM FITMENT


19" Tesla Model S Cardenio Wheel

Wheel size: F:19x9.5 R:19x10.5
Tire size: F:255/45/19 R:285/40/19
*Note: No exact match in this size.


Front Tire Option OEM 255/45/19



  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 255/45/19 - 104V ($252)
  2. CONTIWINTERCONTACT TS830 P - 255/45/19 - 100V ($258)
  3. Hakkapeliitta R3 - 255/45/19 - 104T ($291)
  4. Pilot Alpin PA4 - 255/45/19 - 100V ($334) (Best Performance)
  5. X-ICE SNOW - 255/45/19 - 104H ($281) BackOrder


Rear Tire Option OEM 285/40/19

  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO - 285/40/19 - 103V $(331)
  2. PILOT ALPIN PA4 N-SPEC - 285/40/19 - 103V ($383) (Best Performance)
  3. P Zero Winter - 285/40/19 - 108V ($437)


Alternative front or rear tire 275/40/19

  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO SERIE II - 275/40/19 - 105V ($371)
  2. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 275/40/19 - 101W ($398)


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21" Tesla Model S Arachnid Wheel

Wheel size: F:21x9.5 & R:21x10.5
Tire Size: F:265/35/21 R:295/30/21
*Note: No exact match in this size.



Front Tire Option OEM 265/35/21

  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 265/35/21 - 101w ($383)



Rear Tire Option OEM 295/30/21

  1. Pilot Alpin 5 - 295/30/21 - 102v ($547) (Best Performance)

Alternative front or rear tire 275/35/21

  1. SP WINTER SPORT 3D - 275/35/21 - 103W ($398)
  2. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 275/35/21 - 103V ($450)



________________________________________________________________________________

20” Aftermarket Wheel Option Size



Front or Rear:



-255/40/20- 20x8.5 / 20x9 / 20x9.5



  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 255/40/20 - 101V ($383)
  2. X-Ice Snow - 255/40/20 - 110H ($414)
  3. Pilot Alpin PA4 - 255/40/20 -101V ($423) (Best Performance)


-265/40/20- 20x9 / 20x9.5 / 20x10



  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO SERIE II - 265/40/20 - 104V ($311)
  2. SP WINTER SPORT 3D - 265/40/20 -104V ($263)
  3. PILOT ALPIN 5 - 265/40/20 - 104W ($417) (Best Performance)


-285/35/20- 20x9.5 / 20x10 / 20x10.5 (Tesla Upcoming Track Pack Size)



  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 285/35/20 - 104V ($322)
  2. PILOT ALPIN PA4 N-SPEC - 285/35/20 - 104V ($467) (Best Performance)


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Rear Only:



-295/35/20- 20x10 / 20x10.5/ 20x11

  1. WINTERCONTACT TS 860 S - 295/35R20 - 105V ($354)
  2. BLIZZAK LM-32 - 295/35/20 - 105W ($404)


-305/30/20- 20x10.5 / 20x11 / 20x11.5 (Short in Diameter)(Tesla Upcoming Track Pack Size)

  1. PILOT ALPIN PA4 - 305/30/20 - 103W ($545) (Best Performance)
  2. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 305/30/20 - 103W ($594)


-305/35/20- 20x10.5 / 20x11 / 20x11.5

  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO - 305/35/20 - 104V ($716)


-315/35/20 - 20x10.5 / 20x11 / 20x11.5

  1. BLUEARTH WINTER V905 - 315/35/20 - 110V ($338)
  2. PILOT ALPIN PA4 N-SPEC - 315/35/20 - 110V ($434) (Best Performance)


Can I safely run Pilot Alpin PA4 in the front and Pilot Alpin PA4 N-Spec in the rear for the 19 inch wheels? Looks like a different tread.
 
As promised, here are photos - 19x9" Signature SV103's - Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus.

Ride on the Continentals is excellent. More comfortable than the Michelin Pilot Sports, but plenty of grip and no loss in acceleration.

No opportunity to test them in the wet or snow yet.
 

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As we are getting into winter time and more Refresh Model S being delivered to the owner, you will realize the winter tire selection could very limited + lots of headache when searching for them. Which can be true because there's no exact matching tire to match the OEM setup. Most of the time, Online tire websites won't show you the mismatch tire selection when you put in front and rear size.

It took me a lovely afternoon to gather all the possible options for the winter in variable sizes and prices. I hope this info will help the owner to decide which fits the best for their need.

No need to shop around, the link take you to exact retailer for ordering.


Feel free to leave your feedback on the specific tire if you had them on your car before (Preferred been use on high hoursepower applicaiton)

____________________________________


**Option does not include SUV tire or Run Flat

**Price on the website subject to change without notice

** I'm not affiliate with any of the retailer below.

By Jamie @ Signature Wheel
_____________________________________________________________

OEM FITMENT


19" Tesla Model S Cardenio Wheel

Wheel size: F:19x9.5 R:19x10.5
Tire size: F:255/45/19 R:285/40/19
*Note: No exact match in this size.


Front Tire Option OEM 255/45/19



  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 255/45/19 - 104V ($252)
  2. CONTIWINTERCONTACT TS830 P - 255/45/19 - 100V ($258)
  3. Hakkapeliitta R3 - 255/45/19 - 104T ($291)
  4. Pilot Alpin PA4 - 255/45/19 - 100V ($334) (Best Performance)
  5. X-ICE SNOW - 255/45/19 - 104H ($281) BackOrder


Rear Tire Option OEM 285/40/19

  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO - 285/40/19 - 103V $(331)
  2. PILOT ALPIN PA4 N-SPEC - 285/40/19 - 103V ($383) (Best Performance)
  3. P Zero Winter - 285/40/19 - 108V ($437)


Alternative front or rear tire 275/40/19

  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO SERIE II - 275/40/19 - 105V ($371)
  2. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 275/40/19 - 101W ($398)


_____________________________________________________________________



21" Tesla Model S Arachnid Wheel

Wheel size: F:21x9.5 & R:21x10.5
Tire Size: F:265/35/21 R:295/30/21
*Note: No exact match in this size.



Front Tire Option OEM 265/35/21

  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 265/35/21 - 101w ($383)



Rear Tire Option OEM 295/30/21

  1. Pilot Alpin 5 - 295/30/21 - 102v ($547) (Best Performance)

Alternative front or rear tire 275/35/21

  1. SP WINTER SPORT 3D - 275/35/21 - 103W ($398)
  2. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 275/35/21 - 103V ($450)



________________________________________________________________________________

20” Aftermarket Wheel Option Size



Front or Rear:



-255/40/20- 20x8.5 / 20x9 / 20x9.5



  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 255/40/20 - 101V ($383)
  2. X-Ice Snow - 255/40/20 - 110H ($414)
  3. Pilot Alpin PA4 - 255/40/20 -101V ($423) (Best Performance)


-265/40/20- 20x9 / 20x9.5 / 20x10



  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO SERIE II - 265/40/20 - 104V ($311)
  2. SP WINTER SPORT 3D - 265/40/20 -104V ($263)
  3. PILOT ALPIN 5 - 265/40/20 - 104W ($417) (Best Performance)


-285/35/20- 20x9.5 / 20x10 / 20x10.5 (Tesla Upcoming Track Pack Size)



  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 285/35/20 - 104V ($322)
  2. PILOT ALPIN PA4 N-SPEC - 285/35/20 - 104V ($467) (Best Performance)


______________________________________________________



Rear Only:



-295/35/20- 20x10 / 20x10.5/ 20x11

  1. WINTERCONTACT TS 860 S - 295/35R20 - 105V ($354)
  2. BLIZZAK LM-32 - 295/35/20 - 105W ($404)


-305/30/20- 20x10.5 / 20x11 / 20x11.5 (Short in Diameter)(Tesla Upcoming Track Pack Size)

  1. PILOT ALPIN PA4 - 305/30/20 - 103W ($545) (Best Performance)
  2. WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 - 305/30/20 - 103W ($594)


-305/35/20- 20x10.5 / 20x11 / 20x11.5

  1. WINTER SOTTOZERO - 305/35/20 - 104V ($716)


-315/35/20 - 20x10.5 / 20x11 / 20x11.5

  1. BLUEARTH WINTER V905 - 315/35/20 - 110V ($338)
  2. PILOT ALPIN PA4 N-SPEC - 315/35/20 - 110V ($434) (Best Performance)


Would Vredestein wintrac pro be an option. They come in 265/40/21 and 295/35/21. They come in v and y speed ratings. I have a set of 22s on my Range Rover sport svr, and they have been great in the northeast Ohio lake effect snow. Im just not sure if the change in the aspect ratio is a problem or not.
 
Yes, I ordered them from Amazon ($12). I also ordered black, Tesla spec Gorilla lug nuts from EVANNEX. I'll use those with these wheels next time I remount them. These are a flexible plastic of some kind.

The wheels just didn't look right with the bare metal lug nuts.

EVANNEX has better covers that are made of a hard plastic with clip over the base of the lug nut. They come with a removal tool as well.
 

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Can I safely run Pilot Alpin PA4 in the front and Pilot Alpin PA4 N-Spec in the rear for the 19 inch wheels? Looks like a different tread.
That's what I have on the stock 19 wheels. The fronts are nspec also. Was the only winter option I could find but at least it's a great winter tire.
Has anyone run 245/45x19s winters on all 4 corners yet? I've got a set from my 2017 S that I'd like to use, but I'm wondering if it would look dumb.
I think those tires won't fit on the refresh oem 19 wheels (too narrow) and the old OEM 19 wheels won't fit around refresh oem brakes (and will look very tucked)
 

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