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Refuting Claims of other Manufactures

Discussion in 'Tesla Motors' started by vfx, Jul 3, 2012.

  1. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

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    Lloyd Active Member

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    Since when is Hyundai an american car company also?
     
  3. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    Ghosn said it best: "Every day they don't start is a good day for Tesla". Well, okay he said Nissan, but the point is clear. As long as the other manufacturers don't recognize Tesla as competition, they won't be actively working on any similar products.
     
  4. Discoducky

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    Agreed, sneak attack! But I'd bet that we'll see more of this. I'm guessing here, but couldn't TM make the below claims?

    0. 100% of all vehicles designed and built in USA
    1. Most fuel efficient car company in USA
    2. Highest % of parts designed and manufactured in USA
    3. Lowest carbon footprint factory in USA
     
  5. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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  6. Robert.Boston

    Robert.Boston Model S VIN P01536

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    My letter to Hyundai:
     
  7. Doug_G

    Doug_G Lead Moderator

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    Tesla cars aren't all that American made either. Just think of all those Panasonic cells, Mercedes parts, etc. in fact it is questionable as to whether it will qualify as "made in USA" for the purposes of impoting into Canada (50% content under NAFTA rules).
     
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    Jeeps17 Cath Jockey in a P85

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    Fingers crossed.
    Toes crossed.
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    Hair braided (my daughter's, but whatever works!)
     
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    Lol Robert I like how you handle things. BS needs to be called out!
     
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    Was this disclaimer on the site last time?

    "America's most fuel-efficient car company claim based on fleetwide model year 2010 manufacturer data from the EPA Light-Duty Automotive Technology, Carbon Dioxide Emissions and Fuel Economy Trends: 1975-2011 Report. 2012 Accent 30 City/40 Hwy. 2012 Elantra 29 City/40 Hwy. 2011 Sonata Hybrid 35 City/40 Hwy. 2012 Veloster M/T 28 City/40 Hwy. EPA Estimates. Actual mileage may vary.."

    Green Electric Cars | Eco-Friendly Vehicles| Hyundai
     
  11. vfx

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    So the should say, "MOST FUEL-EFFICIENT AUTOMAKER IN AMERICA, WAY BACK IN 2010."
     
  12. Jason S

    Jason S Model S Sig Perf (P85)

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    Hyundai's claim sounds more impressive than the other way of saying it: "We sell more cars with tiny engines than any other major manufacturer!"
     
  13. VolkerP

    VolkerP EU Model S P-37

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    That other claim should go to Fichtel & Sachs :biggrin:
    sachsfrau.jpg
     
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    Is that by part count or by weight? The entire body and drivetrain are made in USA. I suspect the interior as well (seats, etc.) but not the controls since they are MB.
     
  15. rolosrevenge

    rolosrevenge Dr. EVS

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    According to the Motor Trend article, Tesla makes 95% of Model S in house.
     
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    Ignoring the Panasonic cells, which account for a substantial portion of the cost of the vehicle.
     
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    I'm not totally sure about the duty laws, but I think it may have to do with % of cost. So the batteries may tip the scale, although labor is all US so that may help balance it. I know this is the case for a "product of Canada" label - I recently saw sliced pineapples in the store with the "Product of Canada" label (with a disclaimer sticker that said, "made from imported ingredients"). Duties on the S would really be ridiculous since so much is actually made in the USA.
     
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    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    I would think that the assembly of the battery pack, including all the liquid cooling, would account for a fair percentage of the battery pack's cost. It's not like the batteries are just put in and then liquid is pumped in between the cells to fill the space (I hope).
     
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    Yes, it seems the rules are base on inputs, not on percentage of the final price.

    Suppose you make a gadget, based on $25,000 of imported parts. You add in $15,000 worth of locally-sourced parts and labour, producing a product that sells for $100,000. Clearly the foreign content is only 25% of the selling price, but it's more than half of the total inputs used to make the product.
     

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