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Regarding transition from TESLIVE

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  1. TMC Admin

    TMC Admin Member

    Jun 23, 2006
    Dear TMC Community,

    We prefer to keep the discussion on the TMC forums focused on Tesla and EVs, however we feel it necessary to clarify the following issue so as to alleviate further misunderstanding and confusion.

    In order to stage last year's TMC event, TESLIVE 2013, TMC collaborated with some event planners who assured us of their experience and professionalism. However, soon after the event we learned these event planners had applied for sole ownership of a trademark for the word TESLIVE, without notifying TMC. As part of their application, they disingenuously used a screenshot of a TMC owned website as proof of use. When asked to withdraw or modify their trademark application, they refused. TMC was then forced to file an opposition to their trademark application. After many months, this was finally successful in that we have just last Thursday received notice that they are no longer pursuing this trademark application.

    In addition to trying to appropriate TESLIVE and the goodwill associated with it from TMC, they have made use of TMC intellectual property, namely the member and viewer contact information that TMC sourced for the purposes of staging TESLIVE. We warned them on multiple occasions not to use TMC’s IP, to which they eventually responded assuring us in writing that they would not use TMC’s IP. However, they then went against their own word by sending out emails to TESLIVE contacts to promote their new event.

    Last Monday, we sent a cease and desist letter notifying them that legal action would ensue should they continue to abuse our intellectual property and violate user privacy. They responded Thursday by agreeing in writing to delete all TESLIVE contact information. However, on Friday they sent out another email to TMC’s TESLIVE contact list, addressing the contacts as their “pre-registrants”, despite many of these contacts having subsequently confirmed to us that they had never pre-registered for their event.

    TMC is very supportive of most Tesla enthusiast events and activities. However, we will not allow entities to misappropriate the TMC website, name, member information, and intellectual property for their own purposes. For this reason and due to the unethical nature of their actions, we are not permitting their event to be promoted on this site.

    TMC's goals are to provide information to the Tesla enthusiast community and promote the EV movement in general. It is unfortunate that this issue needed to be addressed, as it distracts from these goals
  2. dflye

    dflye S Sig Perf 414, VIN 814

    Oct 7, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    I'm sure that every story always has at least two sides, and those that win a battle traditionally get to write history based upon their version of events.

    While I don't have any horse in this race, I'm curious if the other parties mentioned will be allowed to defend their position and actions in response to this version of history?
  3. dirkhh

    dirkhh Middle-aged Member

    Jul 7, 2013
    Portland, OR, USA
    While every story tends to have at least two sides, I am one of the people who were contacted by the team organizing their own event. They clearly took information that I have given ONLY to TMC and in their email made extremely misleading statements, implying that this was the successor to Teslive and a TMC event.
    I don't have any insights into the trademark application issue but would state that it seems reasonably obvious that any application for the Teslive trademark that didn't happen together with TMC is likely to be fraudulent.
    I have nothing but the highest respect and gratefulness to Doug and the team running TMC (including all the volunteer moderators). They are doing an amazing job creating and curating this community - anyone who misappropriates their work doesn't deserve my support (or for that matter, money).
  4. rolosrevenge

    rolosrevenge Dr. EVS

    Feb 7, 2009
    This makes me very sad. Can TMC now apply to trademark Teslive?
  5. gg_got_a_tesla

    gg_got_a_tesla Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913

    Jan 29, 2010
    Redwood Shores, CA
    Yeah, I hope they can. TESLIVE has more of a brand cachet to it.
  6. JPP

    JPP Active Member

    Feb 4, 2013
    SF Bay Area, CA
    Many thanks for all of your efforts. Yes, I also got a 'you're been pre-registered' e-mail and blew it off since I knew I had not done so. I did not however know the backstory and feel bad for all of the misinformation and deception.

    I am registered for the 'real' TMC Connect and will see you there.
  7. Vger

    Vger Active Member

    Apr 10, 2009
    Salt Spring Island, BC, Canada
    Thank you for clarifying this. I was confused and concerned when I got the email promoting the competing event. I founded a business that had to fight just such a battle with disgruntled former employees who stole IP and lied about it. I just don't understand people who work that way.

    I, for one, am not looking for the "other story." I think the USPTO has already indicated who is truthful, lawful, and deserving here, and who is not. I am satisfied that I have heard true statements of fact from TMC administration, in whom I have the utmost respect.

    Sorry for your travails. Onward!
  8. darthvdr

    darthvdr Member

    Jul 13, 2013
    los gatos, ca
    Go TMC! You have my support!

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