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We want to preface this by saying we are really behind this company and the ethos it is cultivating however our experience thus far has been nothing but frustrating and disappointing. I am hopeful these ordering and delivery woes will be ironed out by the end of next year.

We ordered a midnight grey Dual Motor AWD Performance, without the $5,000 upgrade package and had an appointment to take delivery this weekend (10/13) at the Rocklin, CA center. First of all the buildup to the delivery process was very frustrating as I had no less than 6 or 7 delivery coordinators either emailing or texting me in the weeks leading up to it to coordinate a date - unfortunately none of them seemed to be communicating with each other and knew nothing of my conversations the other coordinators. This could have been ignored since we had a set appointment except for the fact that despite my attempts at calling, texting and emailing every single coordinator that reached out to me, no one would return my messages and we didn't have a finalized purchase agreement with our financing information (two days prior to our delivery appointment). I called the Tesla main line and the operator said I'll leave a message with the delivery coordinator working on your account and then named someone who was definitely not one of the 6 or 7 people I had already spoken with. Long story short, in desperation, I contacted our original owner advisor in the showroom who took us on a test drive and he helped get the ball rolling at the 11th hour.

We showed up to the Rocklin center at our scheduled appointment time, completed our paperwork and were escorted our to our car. We matched the Vin to our purchase agreement and proceeded to go over our delivery checklist. We found a few minor clearcoat flaws here and there, oily finger print smudges on the light colored fabric above the drivers side, some left over sticky residue from stickers, trunk light burned out and one major flaw, which was that the roof and rear glass was misaligned. As we were going over the car we wondered how we would actually know that the car was the performance model since the cars aren't badged. Our phone app only said Dual Motor All Wheel Drive as did the display on the dash screen. We asked the delivery coordinator and he wasn't quite sure but said he'd look into it. It was then we noticed that the Monroney Sticker didn't match our order. It noted a Dual Motor All Wheel Drive (non-performance) with the Auto-Pilot option, something we didn't purchase. The pricing on the sticker also didn't match our order, but the VIN was the one assigned to us. We thought surely, this was a mix up and they brought us to the wrong car.

The delivery coordinator returned and confirmed we were right, this car wasn't the one we ordered and explained there had been some glitches with the VIN matching service. He was scrambling to see if there was an unmatched car on the lot that they could assign to us so we could leave with a car that day. He recommended we go eat some lunch and come back in a little while while they looked into it. When we returned from lunch the delivery coordinator said he had great news for us. The car we were given was in fact our car, the performance model, but that it's firmware hadn't been updated. He stated that they updated a few things in the system and we were ready to go. We were absolutely not convinced of this and it seemed pretty shady that the car was originally listed as a non-performance with other add on options and now was all of the sudden the performance model we ordered. My husband noted that the performance vehicles front motor and some hardware components were different than the non-performance vehicles and that performance rear motors have a higher selection standard per Elon's tweets. We explained that we didn't feel comfortable taking this car, as there's no real way to look at the engines and in fact no way at all to confirm that we were getting the $10,000 performance upgrade. The delivery coordinator said, you'll know when you drive it. At this point we felt like they were just trying to get this car off the lot. Spending this much money on a car, we want to feel 100% about it and this experience was botched from the get go. We rejected the delivery and asked to be assigned another VIN. They said we'd have to be put back in the queue but we requested they find us another car asap and try to have it delivered to our home since we wasted 8 hours of a Saturday with this. We'll see how this is resolved.

Anyone else with a similar experience?
 
there's no real way to look at the engines..

Maybe you were at a Toyota dealership? :rolleyes:
Seriously though, I think I know what you are talking about on the "engines". I would have done the same thing and not taken delivery. No telling what else is wrong. It does seem like a very unusual situation and I never heard of that before. Our deliveries have always been perfect, in addition to our friends. Best of luck getting the right car soon. :D
 
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I don’t blame you for a second, I would have done the same thing. They should either admit there is no difference other than software for a P3D or stop trying to pull this “we just need to upgrade the software in your car, your sticker is just wrong”. I don’t see how both things (P3D have physical differences between AWD and they “physically sorted the motors and there is more “burn in” in Performance) can possibly be accurate. If they admitted there is no difference other than software, people like the OP would have no problem accepting there was a mistake w the paperwork, (assuming, don’t want to speak for the OP) but when they try to keep this a “grey area”, I don’t blame the OP for thinking they’re trying to pull some shady tactics as they are if there is a difference between the two models other than software. If they are pulling these shady tactics, they will not last long term as a business, if they aren’t, just tell us there is no difference and there won’t be this confusion and assumption.

As for your story, mine has been similar, nothing against Tesla, they are correct that there is no other product you can buy right now that compares in the price range (or arguably any price range). They have an amazing product, it’s the execution of the other areas (sales, service) that are lacking, and I’m willing to give an honest company a break, but it’s hard when reading stories like this. I too have had multiple sales advisors / “DA’s” that seem to have no idea of the actions of each other, almost as if they’re working independently. I have had 3 delivery dates canceled due to “poor logistics” (their words) and I’m getting frustrated with this as well. My latest “problem” was Tesla not booking me a rental car correctly, causing me to miss my appointment as I didn’t find this out until I arrived to pick this up (could have been enterprise’s error, I’m not putting the blame on Tesla for this last one, I live 160 miles from closest SC, and they offered to provide the rental, I was all ready to get my own). It scares me even more than it did to begin with (the concept of buying a car before I see and test drive the specific car I am buying, even if new) and hearing these stories, as I too opted for the upgraded performance model (w performance package) and was lead to believe there are physical differences in the motors (“more burn in, more testing, assume this meant better if not tested and proven quality vs not) when I made this choice. I wouldn’t have a problem if it was only software (but if this were true wouldn’t it mean that any AWD could be upgraded later? Just answers I would like to know, and answers Tesla should provide its customers.

At least that’s my opinion.



We want to preface this by saying we are really behind this company and the ethos it is cultivating however our experience thus far has been nothing but frustrating and disappointing. I am hopeful these ordering and delivery woes will be ironed out by the end of next year.

We ordered a midnight grey Dual Motor AWD Performance, without the $5,000 upgrade package and had an appointment to take delivery this weekend (10/13) at the Rocklin, CA center. First of all the buildup to the delivery process was very frustrating as I had no less than 6 or 7 delivery coordinators either emailing or texting me in the weeks leading up to it to coordinate a date - unfortunately none of them seemed to be communicating with each other and knew nothing of my conversations the other coordinators. This could have been ignored since we had a set appointment except for the fact that despite my attempts at calling, texting and emailing every single coordinator that reached out to me, no one would return my messages and we didn't have a finalized purchase agreement with our financing information (two days prior to our delivery appointment). I called the Tesla main line and the operator said I'll leave a message with the delivery coordinator working on your account and then named someone who was definitely not one of the 6 or 7 people I had already spoken with. Long story short, in desperation, I contacted our original owner advisor in the showroom who took us on a test drive and he helped get the ball rolling at the 11th hour.

We showed up to the Rocklin center at our scheduled appointment time, completed our paperwork and were escorted our to our car. We matched the Vin to our purchase agreement and proceeded to go over our delivery checklist. We found a few minor clearcoat flaws here and there, oily finger print smudges on the light colored fabric above the drivers side, some left over sticky residue from stickers, trunk light burned out and one major flaw, which was that the roof and rear glass was misaligned. As we were going over the car we wondered how we would actually know that the car was the performance model since the cars aren't badged. Our phone app only said Dual Motor All Wheel Drive as did the display on the dash screen. We asked the delivery coordinator and he wasn't quite sure but said he'd look into it. It was then we noticed that the Monroney Sticker didn't match our order. It noted a Dual Motor All Wheel Drive (non-performance) with the Auto-Pilot option, something we didn't purchase. The pricing on the sticker also didn't match our order, but the VIN was the one assigned to us. We thought surely, this was a mix up and they brought us to the wrong car.

The delivery coordinator returned and confirmed we were right, this car wasn't the one we ordered and explained there had been some glitches with the VIN matching service. He was scrambling to see if there was an unmatched car on the lot that they could assign to us so we could leave with a car that day. He recommended we go eat some lunch and come back in a little while while they looked into it. When we returned from lunch the delivery coordinator said he had great news for us. The car we were given was in fact our car, the performance model, but that it's firmware hadn't been updated. He stated that they updated a few things in the system and we were ready to go. We were absolutely not convinced of this and it seemed pretty shady that the car was originally listed as a non-performance with other add on options and now was all of the sudden the performance model we ordered. My husband noted that the performance vehicles front motor and some hardware components were different than the non-performance vehicles and that performance rear motors have a higher selection standard per Elon's tweets. We explained that we didn't feel comfortable taking this car, as there's no real way to look at the engines and in fact no way at all to confirm that we were getting the $10,000 performance upgrade. The delivery coordinator said, you'll know when you drive it. At this point we felt like they were just trying to get this car off the lot. Spending this much money on a car, we want to feel 100% about it and this experience was botched from the get go. We rejected the delivery and asked to be assigned another VIN. They said we'd have to be put back in the queue but we requested they find us another car asap and try to have it delivered to our home since we wasted 8 hours of a Saturday with this. We'll see how this is resolved.

Anyone else with a similar experience?
 
Sorry for your frustration, and this possibly won't make you feel better. I recall seeing several posts by others where the Service Center did change the car from AWD to Performance. You can search the threads - I think you will find the posts. It appears that the motors are the same; AWD is software limited. Any hardware differences (spoiler?) can be applied at SvC. Hope your next one is pristine and you enjoy the car. I have an S and enjoy it every day.
 
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I don’t doubt this has happened, I know it has as I’ve read several reports in this and other forums of this same exact thing happening. All I’m asking is for Tesla to make this clear, if there are no physical differences between an AWD Performance (without the performance upgrade w the 20” rims, the spoiler, pedals, and slightly lower suspension, as well as some possibly other physical differences that may exist (this is again, unclear) and an AWD, the $10k Performance Upgrade is solely a software upgrade, please make this official somewhere. The only thing we have that’s official is Elon’s tweet regarding the increased burn in, etc., the only thing we have insinuates there IS a physical difference. If I am mistaken, please provide your source and I apologize in advance.


Sorry for your frustration, and this possibly won't make you feel better. I recall seeing several posts by others where the Service Center did change the car from AWD to Performance. You can search the threads - I think you will find the posts. It appears that the motors are the same; AWD is software limited. Any hardware differences (spoiler?) can be applied at SvC. Hope your next one is pristine and you enjoy the car. I have an S and enjoy it every day.
 
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I don’t doubt this has happened, I know it has as I’ve read several reports in this and other forums of this same exact thing happening. All I’m asking is for Tesla to make this clear, if there are no physical differences between an AWD Performance (without the performance upgrade w the 20” rims, the spoiler, pedals, and slightly lower suspension, as well as some possibly other physical differences that may exist (this is again, unclear) and an AWD, the $10k Performance Upgrade is solely a software upgrade, please make this official somewhere. The only thing we have that’s official is Elon’s tweet regarding the increased burn in, etc., the only thing we have insinuates there IS a physical difference. If I am mistaken, please provide your source and I apologize in advance.


I have no source other than from other OPs' postings. Don't disagree with your logic. I think I recall reading that there may have originally been a difference in hardware but that it changed to just be software. I have found the forum to be the most reliable source of info. Some of the posters have taken apart their cars - HW and SW and report on findings.. I don't recall seeing such an analysis here between P3 and AWD3, just saying in general. I stand by my other post recollections.
 
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There are several examples of them upgrading the software to Performance and they seem to perform like they should. Also, the glass on the roof doesn’t seem to be perfectly aligned on anyone’s car from what I’ve seen. It’s unfortunate that Tesla’s build quality is what it is. I have two and they both had some level of issues. Still great cars, just need to tighten up build quality and QC. Service takes forever too.
 
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Seems there is no way to tell except how much you paid, app, display and I guess accel....one ain't gonna see anything in HW:

I ordered a Performance 3. The car at delivery was an AWD.

Did Tesla upgrade my car from dual motor awd to performance?
Under Driving / Acceleration,
AWD has: Chill/Standard
P has: Chill/Standard/Sport
I believe this is the way to check the car has the right software.

As far as hardware, it seems more and more instances come across that they update AWDs to Ps and not worry about the hardware... Maybe if variation between the drive units is within 2% it really doesn't matter whether there's a double burn in or whatever.

I'm wondering if at some point of car matching, someone may "override" the Monroney sticker mismatch and say well, this is close enough for a match, they'll just sync up software and all is good.
 
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It's software... Unless you're doing the additional + package... So I don't understand why you would reject delivery for something that was corrected for you on the spot?

Jeff


I completely understand why they would reject it considering the circumstances. As I said, if Tesla would just come out w some official statement declaring that the performance upgrade (not the performance plus upgrade, but the $9,000 upgrade from AWD Dual Motor to AWD Dual Motor Performance) was solely a software upgrade. I do not have any problem with this being the case. I don’t have any issue with the price or even upgrading someone’s car at delivery, that in itself is not an issue for me. What is the issue is keeping it in the “grey area” or keeping us in the dark about exactly what the upgrade entails.

Had the OP been informed that the performance upgrade was a software only thing, I think they would have understood if they were told the upgrade hadn’t been done to their vehicle yet and there was a mixup in the ordering process, but they have now performed the upgrade and the vehicle is ready to go. Why the OP and others in this situation have been confused is exactly because there has been no official word from Tesla. I don’t understand why they won’t just clear this issue up. I don’t think anyone would be upset w the car or it would change anything, so I just don’t understand why the company is creating all this confusion when it could be solved with a simple tweet by Elan or a paragraph on their website.
 
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It is software to get from AWD to Performance. The AWD should be underlined on the logo when you press the T, and driving options should be chill and sport.

Nobody’s window stickers match up, because so much of this (P, EAP, FSD) is purely software configurable. A shame the staff could not clearly explain. I’d suggest OP go back and get the car!
 
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We want to preface this by saying we are really behind this company and the ethos it is cultivating however our experience thus far has been nothing but frustrating and disappointing. I am hopeful these ordering and delivery woes will be ironed out by the end of next year.

We ordered a midnight grey Dual Motor AWD Performance, without the $5,000 upgrade package and had an appointment to take delivery this weekend (10/13) at the Rocklin, CA center. First of all the buildup to the delivery process was very frustrating as I had no less than 6 or 7 delivery coordinators either emailing or texting me in the weeks leading up to it to coordinate a date - unfortunately none of them seemed to be communicating with each other and knew nothing of my conversations the other coordinators. This could have been ignored since we had a set appointment except for the fact that despite my attempts at calling, texting and emailing every single coordinator that reached out to me, no one would return my messages and we didn't have a finalized purchase agreement with our financing information (two days prior to our delivery appointment). I called the Tesla main line and the operator said I'll leave a message with the delivery coordinator working on your account and then named someone who was definitely not one of the 6 or 7 people I had already spoken with. Long story short, in desperation, I contacted our original owner advisor in the showroom who took us on a test drive and he helped get the ball rolling at the 11th hour.

We showed up to the Rocklin center at our scheduled appointment time, completed our paperwork and were escorted our to our car. We matched the Vin to our purchase agreement and proceeded to go over our delivery checklist. We found a few minor clearcoat flaws here and there, oily finger print smudges on the light colored fabric above the drivers side, some left over sticky residue from stickers, trunk light burned out and one major flaw, which was that the roof and rear glass was misaligned. As we were going over the car we wondered how we would actually know that the car was the performance model since the cars aren't badged. Our phone app only said Dual Motor All Wheel Drive as did the display on the dash screen. We asked the delivery coordinator and he wasn't quite sure but said he'd look into it. It was then we noticed that the Monroney Sticker didn't match our order. It noted a Dual Motor All Wheel Drive (non-performance) with the Auto-Pilot option, something we didn't purchase. The pricing on the sticker also didn't match our order, but the VIN was the one assigned to us. We thought surely, this was a mix up and they brought us to the wrong car.

The delivery coordinator returned and confirmed we were right, this car wasn't the one we ordered and explained there had been some glitches with the VIN matching service. He was scrambling to see if there was an unmatched car on the lot that they could assign to us so we could leave with a car that day. He recommended we go eat some lunch and come back in a little while while they looked into it. When we returned from lunch the delivery coordinator said he had great news for us. The car we were given was in fact our car, the performance model, but that it's firmware hadn't been updated. He stated that they updated a few things in the system and we were ready to go. We were absolutely not convinced of this and it seemed pretty shady that the car was originally listed as a non-performance with other add on options and now was all of the sudden the performance model we ordered. My husband noted that the performance vehicles front motor and some hardware components were different than the non-performance vehicles and that performance rear motors have a higher selection standard per Elon's tweets. We explained that we didn't feel comfortable taking this car, as there's no real way to look at the engines and in fact no way at all to confirm that we were getting the $10,000 performance upgrade. The delivery coordinator said, you'll know when you drive it. At this point we felt like they were just trying to get this car off the lot. Spending this much money on a car, we want to feel 100% about it and this experience was botched from the get go. We rejected the delivery and asked to be assigned another VIN. They said we'd have to be put back in the queue but we requested they find us another car asap and try to have it delivered to our home since we wasted 8 hours of a Saturday with this. We'll see how this is resolved.

Anyone else with a similar experience?

OP was your only rejection point the software ? Was rest of car in decent shape ?...if so would have taken car ..I know folks are getting worked up on the software vs hardware aspect of the P .. when I got a P85D back in 2014 it was advertised as “691hp” a lot of drama some class action lawsuits etc and than Tesla finally admitted it wasn’t 691hp and offered us a reduced Luda upgrade ..I see the same thing going with the P3 whether or not it’s binned motors etc from other posters who got software upgrade the car performed as advertised ..;)
 
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OP was your only rejection point the software ? Was rest of car in decent shape ?...if so would have taken car ..I know folks are getting worked up on the software vs hardware aspect of the P .. when I got a P85D back in 2014 it was advertised as “691hp” a lot of drama some class action lawsuits etc and than Tesla finally admitted it wasn’t 691hp and offered us a reduced Luda upgrade ..I see the same thing going with the P3 whether or not it’s binned motors etc from other posters who got software upgrade the car performed as advertised ..;)

It's unfortunate people don't realize how difficult it is going to be to get any Model 3 soon.

Car just needs to perform as advertised. Doesn't matter if its a toggle that is Performance Yes/No.
 
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We rejected the delivery and asked to be assigned another VIN. They said we'd have to be put back in the queue but we requested they find us another car asap and try to have it delivered to our home since we wasted 8 hours of a Saturday with this. We'll see how this is resolved.

I would go right back and take that car based on what you described.

I would not take a Q4 car if I had an option of taking a Q3 car. Delivery hell, QA hell. logistical hell, customer service hell gets only crazier not better.

Your vehicle is nice and ready for someone else who picked midnight silver performance. They will drive off happily having experienced no harm, real or perceived.

You could be off the field and enjoying your car right now but instead you are going to mosh with everyone else fighting for a car.


At this point we felt like they were just trying to get this car off the lot. Spending this much money on a car, we want to feel 100

Not true. Tesla notified the world they had until tomorrow to guarantee end of year delivery. Tesla cut that off after 24 hours. Someone else will take it if its not already gone.
 
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We want to preface this by saying we are really behind this company and the ethos it is cultivating however our experience thus far has been nothing but frustrating and disappointing. I am hopeful these ordering and delivery woes will be ironed out by the end of next year.

We ordered a midnight grey Dual Motor AWD Performance, without the $5,000 upgrade package and had an appointment to take delivery this weekend (10/13) at the Rocklin, CA center. First of all the buildup to the delivery process was very frustrating as I had no less than 6 or 7 delivery coordinators either emailing or texting me in the weeks leading up to it to coordinate a date - unfortunately none of them seemed to be communicating with each other and knew nothing of my conversations the other coordinators. This could have been ignored since we had a set appointment except for the fact that despite my attempts at calling, texting and emailing every single coordinator that reached out to me, no one would return my messages and we didn't have a finalized purchase agreement with our financing information (two days prior to our delivery appointment). I called the Tesla main line and the operator said I'll leave a message with the delivery coordinator working on your account and then named someone who was definitely not one of the 6 or 7 people I had already spoken with. Long story short, in desperation, I contacted our original owner advisor in the showroom who took us on a test drive and he helped get the ball rolling at the 11th hour.

We showed up to the Rocklin center at our scheduled appointment time, completed our paperwork and were escorted our to our car. We matched the Vin to our purchase agreement and proceeded to go over our delivery checklist. We found a few minor clearcoat flaws here and there, oily finger print smudges on the light colored fabric above the drivers side, some left over sticky residue from stickers, trunk light burned out and one major flaw, which was that the roof and rear glass was misaligned. As we were going over the car we wondered how we would actually know that the car was the performance model since the cars aren't badged. Our phone app only said Dual Motor All Wheel Drive as did the display on the dash screen. We asked the delivery coordinator and he wasn't quite sure but said he'd look into it. It was then we noticed that the Monroney Sticker didn't match our order. It noted a Dual Motor All Wheel Drive (non-performance) with the Auto-Pilot option, something we didn't purchase. The pricing on the sticker also didn't match our order, but the VIN was the one assigned to us. We thought surely, this was a mix up and they brought us to the wrong car.

The delivery coordinator returned and confirmed we were right, this car wasn't the one we ordered and explained there had been some glitches with the VIN matching service. He was scrambling to see if there was an unmatched car on the lot that they could assign to us so we could leave with a car that day. He recommended we go eat some lunch and come back in a little while while they looked into it. When we returned from lunch the delivery coordinator said he had great news for us. The car we were given was in fact our car, the performance model, but that it's firmware hadn't been updated. He stated that they updated a few things in the system and we were ready to go. We were absolutely not convinced of this and it seemed pretty shady that the car was originally listed as a non-performance with other add on options and now was all of the sudden the performance model we ordered. My husband noted that the performance vehicles front motor and some hardware components were different than the non-performance vehicles and that performance rear motors have a higher selection standard per Elon's tweets. We explained that we didn't feel comfortable taking this car, as there's no real way to look at the engines and in fact no way at all to confirm that we were getting the $10,000 performance upgrade. The delivery coordinator said, you'll know when you drive it. At this point we felt like they were just trying to get this car off the lot. Spending this much money on a car, we want to feel 100% about it and this experience was botched from the get go. We rejected the delivery and asked to be assigned another VIN. They said we'd have to be put back in the queue but we requested they find us another car asap and try to have it delivered to our home since we wasted 8 hours of a Saturday with this. We'll see how this is resolved.

Anyone else with a similar experience?

That is EXACTLY what my Performance Sticker Looked like. No Performance, No EAP, No FSD.

There are no "Software" options on that Sticker.

I got a 2nd "Sticker" 8.5 x 11 Printout that had ALL the SOFTWARE options including Performance.
With the correct total.

Mine came up on the Display as Performance and Phone App as Performance the first time.

The only thing wrong is they didn't properly prep it correctly (maybe).

The delivery guy was right.

The whole "Binned Motors" is baloney. You are basically paying for "Ludicrous Mode" on a Model 3.
I don't see anything wrong with that. It's done all the time these days.

Like if you buy Oscilloscopes today. All the Hardware is in all the scopes. You PAY Software options to unlock higher performance and features. It cheaper for them to make them all the same and just software lock the lower end ones. You can easily spend $10,000.00 or more on unlocks.

It's hard to get your head around this, but that's the way it is.
I'll bet soon all iPhones will have max memory and you pay to unlock it. It's cheaper that way and customers can upgrade later.

That is why badges are put on at the dealer. So they can change their inventory as demand calls for it.

Yes, you're paying $10,000 for a software unlock to make the same car go faster. The performance difference is HUGE.
 
It's unfortunate people don't realize how difficult it is going to be to get any Model 3 soon.
This could very well be true... Even if U.S. demand lacks for a while until people learn about the car, the EU demand is still there and could be growing quickly with mandates for gas car reduction that their governments started imposing... Norway, Sweden, Denmark.. the list of countries with pro-EV policies grows, but other manufacturers can't provide these cars in decent numbers...Europe may be sucking out anything Tesla has to offer for a while.
 
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