What is funny Hank, is why this bothers you so....and the amount of time you've wasted with no skin in the game. You like this with everyone's posts you disagree with? Half of what you said is totally untrue...I never said tax breaks WILL disappear...just that when we finally get around to buying a replacement, they MAY not be there for me when we buy our next Tesla (see below). If I bought the same exact same Tesla five years from now and no tax breaks existed then, the same car will cost me $12,500 more. I would have paid for two cars and the net "profit" would be zero. Don't know why this is so difficult for you to comprehend. But carry on Hank...as they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity, and you've given this post a lot. Thanks!
Ok, I really wasn't going to continue posting, but since you asked.. two things.
First, and I'm not saying you are, but some people could (and have) come to this forum to post scams or scammy looking deals. A lot of non-forum members might be reading this forum, too, who might not know the intricate ins-and-outs of buying a Tesla. So for those readers, I just want to be sure that they understand the nuances of how this all works, and possibly educate them a little bit, and even, just once, save someone from getting ripped off. But if someone reads my posts, the next time they see a deal like this (here or somewhere else), they might know better what questions to ask.
Second, and I've never said or implied that you were going to make a "profit" on this deal.. and in fact, that never even occurred to me-- I thought you were just trying to break even. But now you've mentioned that word "profit" twice in your posts. And I realized, not only are you trying to find some rich and anxious (or uninformed) buyer to pay $20k over the price of a new car and allowing you to recoup 100% of your investment, you would ALSO making another $12,500 "profit" on top of that due to the tax credits (as you said, assuming you have at least $7500 in federal tax liability). (I would also guess that you do, since you're so concerned about losing those tax credits on the Model X.)
It's one thing to have buyer's remorse and try to sell your used car at a 100% new car price to recoup 100% your costs. That's understandable.
But just because of financial decisions you've made, you now want to insulate/hedge yourself against the chance the tax credits might go away in the future, you're keeping that all to yourself, and not passing those credits along to the buyer. In other words, you're trying to defer the tax credit you get now, into a future where none might exist, at the expense of the buyer. I find that to be a weird concept, especially since those tax credits will most likely still exist for your MX long before Tesla gets to 200,000 cars.
You're basically asking the buyer to pay at-or-near full price of your car, plus
your TAVT tax, no adjustment for the tax credits which you're keeping, AND the buyer is going to have to pay his own TAVT tax on top of the sales price. The fact that you want to claim and keep the $12,500 tax credits all to yourself as "profit", yet asking full price of the car, including TAVT, is where the deal starts to smell just a tad fishy.
If you had instead posted: "
I paid $103,870 for this car out the door. It's pretty much brand spanking new. My asking price is: $103,870 less the $12,500 tax credit I'm taking -- I'd like to sell it for $91,370 FIRM" -- I probably wouldn't have posted at all in this thread. And if you sold it at $91370, you would be recouping your TAVT and actually breaking even. You might even find a buyer at that price which is pretty much what they would be paying for a new car, except they would also have to pay TAVT on top of the $91,370, but that's the premium they'd need to pay not to wait two or three months. That actually sounds like reasonable value proposition for someone looking for your car's build-out, today and not December.
You can ask whatever asking price you want, but I just want to make sure everyone reading this thread knows what you're trying to do. I think it's shady.
