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Reporting on Tesla by Russ Mitchell (LA Times)

I just have to find one?

Something more recent?

Nice job. I have to give you credit. You found 2 in 10 years time.

How long after Van Susteren did this piece was she fired? 4 months?

I recall the Model 3 review, but had forgotten about it.

This is the kind of stuff I am used to seeing:

Tesla Driver Apparently Caught Sleeping at the Wheel at 60mph
Tesla Dog Mode Dangerous Flaw - Note that they never mentioned Cabin Overheat Protection in that article.
Feds Probe Inaccurate Tesla Safety Claims
Tesla Deliveries Down 31% in 1st Quarter - odd, I couldn't find a story about last quarter's record deliveries
Tesla China Fire Caused by Faulty Battery Module
NTSB: Tesla AutoPilot was Engaged Before Fatal Crash
NTSB Report Says California Tesla Driver was using Autopilot When he hit a Fire Truck
Porsche has more than 30,000 orders for its Tesla-fighting Taycan Electric Car - note the BS specs Fox gave for the Taycan.
"The production version of the Taycan is scheduled to be unveiled in early September with all-wheel-drive, 600 hp, a range over 300 miles and the ability to be charged to 80 percent in just 15 minutes at the company’s network of 800-volt stations. Final pricing hasn’t been revealed, but it is expected to start under $100,000."

See the manipulation? I could probably list 250 articles from Fox just like those. Those were just a few of the 2019 articles.
 

SW2Fiddler

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My first thought before looking at the actual video was that "Greta" meant Thunberg... and I was amazed that Fox would admit she existed.

Yeah. I was put in the position today of kinda defending Faux Noize. I am self-prescribing two hours of Thunberg to try to get the stench off. :eek: :eek: :eek:

...I don't NOT "see manipulation." There's manipulation. I'm calling out a one-dimensional oversimplification because it does not address (explain nor predict) some significant aspects of the manipulation campaign.

I wish someone investigate-y like Greg Palast would follow the Koch Bucks. There were ten million Koch Bux a year, to start with and when Operation Fueling US ForwarD went below the radar, who's to say the Bux didn't increase? Anyway, where did they go?
The Koch Bux are to further the attempted "Tuckering" of Tesla. Aligned with the Kochs' Tuckers are Poor Jim "Distributed Solar" Chanos, Buffet, some at the SEC, and then all the r/EnoughMuskSpam edgelords. Good luck mapping all that onto one end of a Left-Right continuum!

Noam' Sane?
 
Yeah. I was put in the position today of kinda defending Faux Noize. I am self-prescribing two hours of Thunberg to try to get the stench off. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Well, they sit particularly bad with me, because I did not really know how bad they were until I became a Tesla fan in 2012. As a conservative libertarian, I didn't particularly agree with Fox News, but I didn't agree with any other MSM very much either. But, TBH, I did feel like Fox was more honest than the others because they were the ONE that was saying something DIFFERENT from the others, who were all saying pretty much the same thing.

So when I became a Tesla fan, the very first thing I read on a Tesla Yahoo forum was that Ford got a govt bailout. I told the poster he was crazy and that my beloved Ford did NOT get any gov't money at all. They stood on their own 2 feet and made America proud. Then I got schooled and educated. How had Fox NOT told me this information? Then I started learning more about Tesla, and when Fox would talk about Tesla, I'd say to myself, "that isn't correct". Soon what they were doing became apparent. And I was disgusted.

But to be clear, I was already partially disgusted. As a person who overall supports the mission of the armed forces, and the police force, I try to be supportive of the members of each. In any type of news involving the police, I go into it with a very slight bias to the police officer(s). However, I still have a very open mind. And some of these cases are SO freaking BAD that I want them to take the cop out and execute him right NOW (my emotion, not what I'd actually want to do). Then later that evening I'd see Sean Hannity defending the cop(s). WHAT!! That was the beginning of my hatred of Fox News. You do good cops a disservice when you defend the very worst, and BLATANTLY guilty (check the Mesa, AZ shooting of a man in a hotel lying on the floor for a perfect example). You also make yourself look like an idiot to anyone who has half a brain. But, being a person who does not conform to any one overall political policy or belief (ie, I may be very conservative on one subject (gun rights), and very liberal on another (drug use)) - I see the crap from every news organization. Everyone is pushing their agenda, with no regard for the truth, and definitely not the whole truth.
 

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Well, they sit particularly bad with me, because I did not really know how bad they were until I became a Tesla fan in 2012. As a conservative libertarian, I didn't particularly agree with Fox News, but I didn't agree with any other MSM very much either. But, TBH, I did feel like Fox was more honest than the others because they were the ONE that was saying something DIFFERENT from the others, who were all saying pretty much the same thing.

So when I became a Tesla fan, the very first thing I read on a Tesla Yahoo forum was that Ford got a govt bailout. I told the poster he was crazy and that my beloved Ford did NOT get any gov't money at all. They stood on their own 2 feet and made America proud. Then I got schooled and educated. How had Fox NOT told me this information? Then I started learning more about Tesla, and when Fox would talk about Tesla, I'd say to myself, "that isn't correct". Soon what they were doing became apparent. And I was disgusted.

But to be clear, I was already partially disgusted. As a person who overall supports the mission of the armed forces, and the police force, I try to be supportive of the members of each. In any type of news involving the police, I go into it with a very slight bias to the police officer(s). However, I still have a very open mind. And some of these cases are SO freaking BAD that I want them to take the cop out and execute him right NOW (my emotion, not what I'd actually want to do). Then later that evening I'd see Sean Hannity defending the cop(s). WHAT!! That was the beginning of my hatred of Fox News. You do good cops a disservice when you defend the very worst, and BLATANTLY guilty (check the Mesa, AZ shooting of a man in a hotel lying on the floor for a perfect example). You also make yourself look like an idiot to anyone who has half a brain. But, being a person who does not conform to any one overall political policy or belief (ie, I may be very conservative on one subject (gun rights), and very liberal on another (drug use)) - I see the crap from every news organization. Everyone is pushing their agenda, with no regard for the truth, and definitely not the whole truth.
I loved your post. Every bit of it.
 
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I know this thread is about a year old now, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents. What most people do not get, myself included for several years, Tesla is NOT just a car company! Yes, they do sell some interesting cars and they are getting better at it, but they are much more than what they are perceived to be. Elon is a visionary. He may have trouble getting us common (non-visionary) folks to understand what he sees, much like others like Steve Jobs, but he is a driver to the ultimate goal. Elon has stated the ultimate goal, revolutionize the world. Yes, he over promises and under delivers a LOT. He needs to learn about the Scotty Principle. However, not many CEOs or companies would have taken Australia's bet to install the Hornsdale project in such a short time frame. Elon believed and then got the company to succeed. It took me several years to understand that Tesla was different and looking at the company as just any other company is not going to work. The usual reporting is that it can't be done. Space-X will never succeed at recycling rockets. Tesla will never succeed at making EVs. The Boring company will never work. It took me years to realize that I didn't see his visions (what IS HE smoking?) and maybe I didn't need to. You don't need to drink the Kool-Aid to enjoy the ride. It took me years to realize that the cars, energy products, rockets, Starlink (ok, I get this with having to deal with Comcast, or Charter or Direct TV, etc... but is dealing with Tesla any better?) and maybe the tunneling (I still don't get this part yet), the company is changing things.
Disclaimer: I am long on TSLA now! Sadly didn't come to this realization early enough (like at $75/share, or $150/share or even $250/share) but come on in, the Kool-Aid is fine.
 
I see the crap from every news organization. Everyone is pushing their agenda, with no regard for the truth, and definitely not the whole truth.
I have seen many in news media make mistakes, sometimes obvious and egregious mistakes;
and yes, then you have deliberate exaggerations or partial facts, or even simply bad reporting that was not corrected (especially in realm of aviation, the ignorance is palpable).

Then you have those like Faux that from time to time make fiction from whole cloth just to do what they think appeals to their radical viewers.
 
especially in realm of aviation

lol - several years ago, we had a jump plane go in, with no fatalities IIRC, and judging by what was reported by the people on board: "The pilot was frantically turning this wheel thing", it sounded as if he had some pretty heavy nose up trim in from landing and had forgotten to reset it to the take off setting causing a stall after takeoff

But .. the journalist actually said it was good that they were "so low to the ground" when this happened

<bang head>

Maybe it's unfair to expect them to know things that are that specialised, but then again, there's that old expression: "better to keep our mouth shut and have people think you're a fool ,than open it and have them know it"
 

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I have seen many in news media make mistakes, sometimes obvious and egregious mistakes;
and yes, then you have deliberate exaggerations or partial facts, or even simply bad reporting that was not corrected (especially in realm of aviation, the ignorance is palpable).

Then you have those like Faux that from time to time make fiction from whole cloth just to do what they think appeals to their radical viewers.
The percentage of bad actors and those with competency issues in journalism is exactly the same as in pretty many any profession. It’s easy to mock any profession, including our own.
 
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A news company should have a much higher standard of accuracy, error is more exception than common.
I have seen accurate reporting on aircraft accidents too.
If you think about it, there are thousands of potential errors in any story, from grammar to data interpretation to misspellings to details like caliber of weapon, to idea shaping. (such as whether something is actually a story: “Tesla crashes, burns intensely on Santa Monica Freeway!”)
It’s not likely at all anyone who has posted here could do better than the folks they are criticizing.
With a few exceptions, such as “journalists” who are paid to slant which are thankfully, exceptions.
I can pick apart the majority of stories on Fox and some on, say, MSNBC and pretty easily, but those aren’t errors usually, those are intentional choices.
Most reporting on aircraft accidents or anything else that’s hard news is accurate. 24-hour news networks and reporting on big-picture pontifications by politicians and other public figures is a realm of its own.
Some of the points here are good ones as well. Anyone doing ONGOING reporting on EVs -- not just road tests which aren’t really journalism, but reporting on the industry - absolutely should get versed in charging and spend time in the cars and understand what actually works and what doesn’t.
I’m not an Elon fan boy and I have zero interest in hearing anything he has to say about anything except engineering and manufacturing topics. It’s like hearing my doctor pontificate about politics. Smart guy, not his field. But there is no question ICE is on its way out, some of the traditional car companies ain’t gonna make the leap because they moved too slowly, and Elon is hastening all that. That fact should underpin reporting on the industry.
 

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He's at it again. Today, a long story about how Tesla screwed the DMV of data regarding FSD crashes.

This guy has got to be a Tesla short. He's had this nasty attitude and Tesla hatred since Tesla didn't give him a MX to review a few years ago when he demanded them to do so.
This guy and Lora Kolodny are scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of dishonest onesided biased reporting. Worst of the worst. You really can't tell the difference between these two and some of the hard core TSLAQ twitter personalities. Throwing shade and lies amplified by the power of big media should be one of the worst things a human can do, besides human trafficking and child pornography.
 
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I just watched this video. This guy looks very weird. He really dislike Tesla.


His real low point was when he interviewed the TSLQ scums - the shorty airforce who were stalking parking lots - and wrote a glowing report in LA Times about their work, giving legitimacy to a bunch of losers who were hell bent on killing Tesla through social media/Twitter. He basically was insinuating in that report that Tesla is hiding cars and lying they were sold.

In this interview with Sean, he contends that Tesla is doing Accounting fraud (his word: accounting machinations), echoing the same argument of some of his Short buddies like Michael Burry & Jim Chanos. Every one of his accusations in the past have been proved wrong now.

Always looking to see where Tesla is vulnerable and try to hit them there. During Model 3 ramp, it was all about poor and unsafe manufacturing. When they were low on cash, it is all about cash burn and the prospect of bankruptcy. Now they have all quietly moved on to FSD and have started a campaign to stop Tesla from testing it in public roads using its customers. With FSD software struggles and slow pace of progress now the focus is on the prospect of FSD killing people.
 
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His real low point was when he interviewed the TSLQ scums - the shorty airforce who were stalking parking lots - and wrote a glowing report in LA Times about their work, giving legitimacy to a bunch of losers who were hell bent on killing Tesla through social media/Twitter. He basically was insinuating in that report that Tesla is hiding cars and lying they were sold.

In this interview with Sean, he contends that Tesla is doing Accounting fraud (his word: accounting machinations), echoing the same argument of some of his Short buddies like Michael Burry & Jim Chanos. Every one of his accusations in the past have been proved wrong now.

Always looking to see where Tesla is vulnerable and try to hit them there. During Model 3 ramp, it was all about poor and unsafe manufacturing. When they were low on cash, it is all about cash burn and the prospect of bankruptcy. Now they have all quietly moved on to FSD and have started a campaign to stop Tesla from testing it in public roads using its customers. With FSD software struggles and slow pace of progress now the focus is on the prospect of FSD killing people.
Yep, it's always the "Tesla's going to kill you" mantra based on the latest scummy accusation(s). Before, it was that Teslas are more environmentally hazardous than ICE vehicles (I recall one whopper where they claimed a MS was dirtier than a Hummer!), and after that lie was disproved, off they go on another "throw stuff against the wall and sees what sticks" gambit.
 
Yep, it's always the "Tesla's going to kill you" mantra based on the latest scummy accusation(s). Before, it was that Teslas are more environmentally hazardous than ICE vehicles (I recall one whopper where they claimed a MS was dirtier than a Hummer!), and after that lie was disproved, off they go on another "throw stuff against the wall and sees what sticks" gambit.
Same political tactics also employed to non-Fossil Fuel car maker.

Perhaps I am wrong, but these detractors seem to support Republicans.
 

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